Summary of Winter Board 2008 Changes and approvals

[NHQ-OS-126 Frank]

Tnx for all those information.

So if we order the next time cap tabs we should get the "old" ones again :-)

Does anybody thinks CAP will get the new ABU uniform one day ?

[jeders]

Yes, you should get the ones with just Civil Air Patrol.

Supposedly, we are going to get ABUs in the future, though no time frame has yet been set.

[NHQ-OS-126 Frank]

Tnx.... for the answer  :-)

Is there any chatroom for CAP members where you could write with other members ??

That would make it easier sometimes to communicate than this forum .....

[Eclipse]

Tnx.... for the answer  :-)

Is there any chatroom for CAP members where you could write with other members ??

That would make it easier sometimes to communicate than this forum .....

But then there is no record for others to search for later (and use against you!).   

[NHQ-OS-126 Frank]

yes that's right too.......

i thought more about something like msn where you can write with people but who are only in cap or interested in cap. 

[♠SARKID♠]

Thats part of the reason this site exists though.  Its not just a forum for CAP members to meet and talk, but an ever growing repository of information that can be searched through and logged for everybody.  Its a big expanding CAP encyclopedia.  Through our discussions we gain more information for the common member to read and learn from.

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[John Bryan]

Yup. The U.S. Civil Air Patrol was an unfortunate change made by the former Nat/CC.

Technically, the same people that voted to drop it, were the ones who approved it last fall.  He just pushed for it.  Doesn't say much about the ability of the NB to think for itself. 

In defense of the National Board (can't believe I said that :angel:).....about 1/3 of the board changes yearly due to terms, then you have the Wing Commanders who resign, are run off or get fired...so it is not the same board.

[John Bryan]

Plus....until they change the rules and protect Wing and Region Commanders from political firings , then there will always be the lack of NB free thought.

[RiverAux]

It has only been a few months and there have not been all that many personnel changes since then.  Sorry, I'm not letting the NB off on this one. 

[FW]

We've had about a 50% turnover in NB members since Aug 06.  In the next 18 months there will be only about 10-15 members of the NB who will even know who the former Natl/CC was.

[LtCol White]

It has only been a few months and there have not been all that many personnel changes since then.  Sorry, I'm not letting the NB off on this one. 

The biggest mistake anyone can make is to come into office and change everything right away. It also assumes that everyone there is incompetent/bad which is NEVER the case in reality. That is a setup for failure.  Changes for a new commander should be surgical, planned, and calculated.

[Bluelakes 13]

I heard "unfunded mandates to the members" twice during the meeting, and I was in-and-out.  It's nice that someone is keeping our pocketbooks in mind.

It's a shame that so much of the agenda was uniform issues... With the state of affairs as they are, you would think that we would have more important things to consider.  How much longer can new members make up for the hemorrhaging?

[BigMojo]

Did anyone hear any discussion/voting on allowing qualified cadets to become Ground Team Leaders? I thought I saw that on the agenda...

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I did not see anything on that.  Are you asking about cadets under 18 being able to become GTL's?

[LittleIronPilot]

At the end of the meeting Saturday the Vanguard Rep said that all plastic encased insignia are unavailable until they find a new supplier. If they don't find a new supplier then they won't be selling us anymore plastic encased insignia. If that happens National will address the situation with an emergency action.

Well crap....it IS an emergency. I have my 2nd Lt rank on backorder now for over four months! Get with it NB....get rid of the [darn] plastic encased rank and convince mama Blue we can wear our blue back ground sew on rank!

[cnitas]

Meh...I would just use the subdued green rank until further guidance.   

Your leather name patch and CAP patch identify you as CAP.

[pixelwonk]

[off-topic geekness]
Heh.  I had From The Earth to the Moon in last night and saw a bunch of guys listening to Kennedy's "not because they are easy..." speech on the radio.
They were sportin zoom bags with what looked like plastic encased rank on their shoulders and black leather ASNPs.
I had to remind myself it was the 60s and they were not CAP.
[/off-topic geekness]  okay, well just the /off-topic part.  I'm still plenty geeky

I have an extra pair of plastic encased butter bars that I never used.
PM me for 'em.

Meh...I would just use the subdued green rank until further guidance.   

Your leather name patch and CAP patch identify you as CAP.

[Pylon]

(If that new patch, the third in several years, was not approved, I stand corrected).

Actually, it's the fourth patch in several years.  Almost ridiculous. 

See the progression attached.  If you were a member who put together a flight suit in 2003, you would have had to buy four different chest patches in five years. 

It alludes to a disturbing inability of the board to see a long-term picture for the organization.

[ddelaney103]

(If that new patch, the third in several years, was not approved, I stand corrected).

Actually, it's the fourth patch in several years.  Almost ridiculous. 

See the progression attached.  If you were a member who put together a flight suit in 2003, you would have had to buy four different chest patches in five years. 

It alludes to a disturbing inability of the board to see a long-term picture for the organization.

For the transition to the "post-USCAP" world, I have two words: blue Sharpie.

Seriously, I think we could have kept the last patch.  There's a difference b/w USCAP and having US on a CAP patch.  In fact, it was a great homage to our original patch which had a US below the triangle.

[cnitas]

I agree.  I did not see a problem with the 2004 patch, and I do not see a problem with the 2005 version.  They are both acceptable.