I know the information is floating out there somewhere... but I can't remember where to look. Does anyone know where to look or have this information handy?
2009 is suppose to be San Antonio, Tx.
When is it going to be on the north side of the country? Traverse City or Mackinac Island, MI would be excellent places to hold the conference. ;)
Quote from: Lancer on July 23, 2008, 06:01:36 PM
When is it going to be on the north side of the country? Traverse City or Mackinac Island, MI would be excellent places to hold the conference. ;)
+1 for Mackinac
Quote from: davidsinn on July 23, 2008, 06:14:50 PM
Quote from: Lancer on July 23, 2008, 06:01:36 PM
When is it going to be on the north side of the country? Traverse City or Mackinac Island, MI would be excellent places to hold the conference. ;)
+1 for Mackinac
me too.
Mackinac Island !!!!!!
You can't even go into the Grand Hotel there to look around without having to pay. They won't let you past that big front porch without putting their hand out.
Quote from: Smokey on July 23, 2008, 06:31:41 PM
Mackinac Island !!!!!!
You can't even go into the Grand Hotel there to look around without having to pay. They won't let you past that big front porch without putting their hand out.
Didn't they try having the GLR conference there a few years back.... and practically nobody came?
Now, I like Mackinac Island... but the cost of getting there will probably rule it out.
Quote from: Lancer on July 23, 2008, 06:01:36 PM
When is it going to be on the north side of the country? Traverse City or Mackinac Island, MI would be excellent places to hold the conference. ;)
I tell you what...move that National Capital from Washington, DC to Dallas, Texas and we'll talk. ;)
Come on really, don't you Yankee's already have everything else? :'(
Quote from: Major Carrales on July 23, 2008, 07:43:54 PM
Quote from: Lancer on July 23, 2008, 06:01:36 PM
When is it going to be on the north side of the country? Traverse City or Mackinac Island, MI would be excellent places to hold the conference. ;)
I tell you what...move that National Capital from Washington, DC to Dallas, Texas and we'll talk. ;)
Come on really, don't you Yankee's already have everything else? :'(
Wha?
I wouldn't exactly equate Washington DC with Mackinac Island, MI. Big difference from the rural midwest to a gigantic metropolis on the east coast.
Quote from: TankerT on July 23, 2008, 07:36:55 PM
Quote from: Smokey on July 23, 2008, 06:31:41 PM
Mackinac Island !!!!!!
You can't even go into the Grand Hotel there to look around without having to pay. They won't let you past that big front porch without putting their hand out.
Didn't they try having the GLR conference there a few years back.... and practically nobody came?
Now, I like Mackinac Island... but the cost of getting there will probably rule it out.
The GLR conference >was< there, and that was a big complaint - expense & access.
It was so far North that it basically precluded "day players" from attending, and whether you're on the island or near it, hotels around there aren't cheap.
Quote from: Eclipse on July 23, 2008, 08:25:36 PM
The GLR conference >was< there, and that was a big complaint - expense & access.
It was so far North that it basically precluded "day players" from attending, and whether you're on the island or near it, hotels around there aren't cheap.
Ah yes. That was the year that WWWeb wanted it there, so they had that survey that had three paragraphs touting the island and the resort next to the first vote button, and the second voting button basically said "Wisconsin Dells Wisconsin at Location Y."
/It was quite obvious where WWWeb wanted the conference... and everyone voted for the Island... as it sounded great.
//Wisconsin Dells is pretty nice though... and can be more affordable... but not the most easy place to access for the entire Region, as it is a bit northwest.
While holding it in these places that we are want to visit from time to time is it really cost effective to host these conferences in some of the most expensive places in the country given the amount of sightseeing that these conferences allow for?
I mean you can go out at night or for lunch or whatever but if you are truely taking part in the conference is it conceivable that you will get your monies worth of the city to justify paying an extra 60+ for a hotel.
I do understand that in most cases the cities most capable of housing a conference of this size are the larger ones but aren't there alternatives all over?
Quote from: IceNine on July 23, 2008, 08:35:13 PM
While holding it in these places that we are want to visit from time to time is it really cost effective to host these conferences in some of the most expensive places in the country given the amount of sightseeing that these conferences allow for?
I mean you can go out at night or for lunch or whatever but if you are truely taking part in the conference is it conceivable that you will get your monies worth of the city to justify paying an extra 60+ for a hotel.
I do understand that in most cases the cities most capable of housing a conference of this size are the larger ones but aren't there alternatives all over?
What about Indianapolis? Dead nuts center in the middle of GLR. Fairly cheap to visit. Low crime. Easy to get to because of all the interstates and US highways. A genuinely nice city.
Quote from: JC004 on July 23, 2008, 06:25:02 PM
Quote from: davidsinn on July 23, 2008, 06:14:50 PM
Quote from: Lancer on July 23, 2008, 06:01:36 PM
When is it going to be on the north side of the country? Traverse City or Mackinac Island, MI would be excellent places to hold the conference. ;)
+1 for Mackinac
me too.
How about Scranton PA or the ever so scenic Poconos? Heck, if it's good enough for NASCAR,,, >:D
Quote from: davidsinn on July 23, 2008, 10:35:56 PM
Quote from: IceNine on July 23, 2008, 08:35:13 PM
While holding it in these places that we are want to visit from time to time is it really cost effective to host these conferences in some of the most expensive places in the country given the amount of sightseeing that these conferences allow for?
I mean you can go out at night or for lunch or whatever but if you are truely taking part in the conference is it conceivable that you will get your monies worth of the city to justify paying an extra 60+ for a hotel.
I do understand that in most cases the cities most capable of housing a conference of this size are the larger ones but aren't there alternatives all over?
What about Indianapolis? Dead nuts center in the middle of GLR. Fairly cheap to visit. Low crime. Easy to get to because of all the interstates and US highways. A genuinely nice city.
Honestly as long as the city is easy to get to and has a nice hotel with capacity to handle the volume we should be using those cities.
Indy, and Cinci come to mind. Chicago, and many others. I just don't see the need for vacation spots as conference points.
I guess the other point is that it should have an airport with enough flights in/out to accomidate everyone.
The World Equestrian Games will be in Lexington, KY in Sept - October 2010. Sounds like a good place for the National Conference.
www.feigames2010.org
Quote from: IceNine on July 23, 2008, 11:56:47 PM
I guess the other point is that it should have an airport with enough flights in/out to accomidate everyone.
The number of flights is somewhat important, but the overall costs of those flights can also be key.
If '09 is supposed to be in San Antonio, I'll start planning now!
Fellows,
I think the idea of moving the conference is the best one. Pratically, even if it were held in centrally located St. Louis; that is too far away from home for me to justify a non-family vacation or NON-ES CAP function.
Since it was in Florida this year, San Antonio this year. California would be a good choice for the following. Rotating around the country bring it into everyone's range once every 8 years or so.
Frankly speaking, the National Conference is something I think is great to attend, however, we ahve Wing and Region Conferences to "fill the gaps" and attend regularly. I think I woudl like to go to the National Conference only once every 5 years. As finances dictate.
How about holding it at the Air Force Academy? During the summer, rooms are available in Dorms, facilities are first rate. Weather is good. Gathering and teaching areas, top notch. Denver and Colorado Springs near by. The best mountain scenery. Center of the country so no one has too long or expensive of a commute.
In fact do it every year at the AFA. I'll drive the 45 minutes and entertain you all with stories of high altitude driving in treacherous winter in Colorado snow stories... which Maj. Joe Corrales, being from Corpus Christi TX., will think of as exotic tales from a forbidden frontier.
With regards;
ED OBRIEN
The conferences are always in the same cities, San Antonio, St Louis, Washington D.C., Reno, Vegas, and New Orleans. Only one in NER in the last 30 years. The site is only selected about 15-18 months out. most corperation schedule 5 years out. The Regions should rotate in hosting the conference. In addition National should look into having a commercial travel agency coordinate the rooms and travel to keep costs down. (Carlson-Wagonlite does a lot of this for the military). I would think this would not only cut costs for all concerned, but also make money for the corperation through commisions from the travel agency. We should also stay away from Vegas and Reno. How can we tell parents that we are looking out for our cadets when they have to walk through a casino to get to their rooms or to the restaurant. I have also been a big advocate of finding a college or University with dorms and classrooms during the summer. minimal cost-same benefits.
Seriously The Air Force Academy here in Colorado, is the place. Fewer tornadoes and mosquitoes than the Midwest. Fewer earthquakes and forest fires than California. No hurricanes, smaller bugs, and less humidity than the Southeast US. Cheaper than New York, Las Vegas, or Chicago. Closer to big air hubs than most places. Cooler by 10 degrees than any other place in the US other than Maine and Alaska... plus it's the AIR FORCE Academy with tours of Space Command, Cheyenne Mountain, Garden of the God's, Pikes Peak Gog Railway and the magnificently cheesy "Santa land" close at hand.
With regards from Beautiful Colorado;
ED OBRIEN
Rumor has it that the May '09 NEC is suposed to be in Denver...
Quote from: Smithsonia on July 25, 2008, 01:51:33 PM
Seriously The Air Force Academy here in Colorado, is the place. Fewer tornadoes and mosquitoes than the Midwest. Fewer earthquakes and forest fires than California. No hurricanes, smaller bugs, and less humidity than the Southeast US. Cheaper than New York, Las Vegas, or Chicago. Closer to big air hubs than most places. Cooler by 10 degrees than any other place in the US other than Maine and Alaska... plus it's the AIR FORCE Academy with tours of Space Command, Cheyenne Mountain, Garden of the God's, Pikes Peak Gog Railway and the magnificently cheesy "Santa land" close at hand.
With regards from Beautiful Colorado;
ED OBRIEN
I couldn't agree more. In addition to the fine points listed above, travel options are multiplied with both the Colorado Springs and Denver airports within reasonable driving distance (30 and 75 minutes drive, respectively). In addition to the AFAcademy, Colorado Springs is also home to NORAD, Schriever AFB (50th Space Wing), Fort Carson, and Peterson AFB (home to the Colorado Wing of CAP). (Disclosure: I live in CO ;D).
^ It is settled then....Denver shall be the location. I haven't been to Colorado in almost 10 years.....time for a return!
I loved Denver BTW. I would not mind vacationing there again!!
If you're coming to Colorado, please remember we are a mile high and simply don't have enough oxygen for everybody, so it's best to bring your own. With regards; ED OBRIEN
Ed, stop signing you posts... the sig block is there for a reason. [/offtopic]
Quote from: Indaweeds on July 25, 2008, 02:09:15 PM
Quote from: Smithsonia on July 25, 2008, 01:51:33 PM
Seriously The Air Force Academy here in Colorado, is the place. Fewer tornadoes and mosquitoes than the Midwest. Fewer earthquakes and forest fires than California. No hurricanes, smaller bugs, and less humidity than the Southeast US. Cheaper than New York, Las Vegas, or Chicago. Closer to big air hubs than most places. Cooler by 10 degrees than any other place in the US other than Maine and Alaska... plus it's the AIR FORCE Academy with tours of Space Command, Cheyenne Mountain, Garden of the God's, Pikes Peak Gog Railway and the magnificently cheesy "Santa land" close at hand.
With regards from Beautiful Colorado;
ED OBRIEN
I couldn't agree more. In addition to the fine points listed above, travel options are multiplied with both the Colorado Springs and Denver airports within reasonable driving distance (30 and 75 minutes drive, respectively). In addition to the AFAcademy, Colorado Springs is also home to NORAD, Schriever AFB (50th Space Wing), Fort Carson, and Peterson AFB (home to the Colorado Wing of CAP). (Disclosure: I live in CO ;D).
You forgot God's golf balls... :angel:
Quote from: Cecil DP on July 24, 2008, 04:41:36 PM
The conferences are always in the same cities, San Antonio, St Louis, Washington D.C., Reno, Vegas, and New Orleans. Only one in NER in the last 30 years. The site is only selected about 15-18 months out. most corperation schedule 5 years out. <SNIP>
The 2002 National Conference was held in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania --- which is in the NER, unless PAWG has withdrawn ;D It was in Cinncinati either in 98 or 99 (can't remember which).
Why not have each region host a national board meeting within there region. They in turn could have a wing within there region be host for that region. This would preclude the ability to have a repeat of the same location that would happen only once every fifty two years. I could see a national board meeting in Alaska, Puerto Rico, or Hawaii. Travel may be a problem.
The NB spends too much on airfare already for what they bring in - we'd have to raise membership dues... >:D
Quote from: Chappie on July 25, 2008, 03:38:14 PM
Quote from: Cecil DP on July 24, 2008, 04:41:36 PM
The conferences are always in the same cities, San Antonio, St Louis, Washington D.C., Reno, Vegas, and New Orleans. Only one in NER in the last 30 years. The site is only selected about 15-18 months out. most corperation schedule 5 years out. <SNIP>
The 2002 National Conference was held in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania --- which is in the NER, unless PAWG has withdrawn ;D It was in Cinncinati either in 98 or 99 (can't remember which).
I believe Cincinnati was 2001 I know it was just a few months before I got my Mitchell (mar 2002) and the only NB I've ever attended
Quote from: arajca on July 25, 2008, 03:25:49 PM
Quote from: Indaweeds on July 25, 2008, 02:09:15 PM
Quote from: Smithsonia on July 25, 2008, 01:51:33 PM
Seriously The Air Force Academy here in Colorado, is the place. Fewer tornadoes and mosquitoes than the Midwest. Fewer earthquakes and forest fires than California. No hurricanes, smaller bugs, and less humidity than the Southeast US. Cheaper than New York, Las Vegas, or Chicago. Closer to big air hubs than most places. Cooler by 10 degrees than any other place in the US other than Maine and Alaska... plus it's the AIR FORCE Academy with tours of Space Command, Cheyenne Mountain, Garden of the God's, Pikes Peak Gog Railway and the magnificently cheesy "Santa land" close at hand.
With regards from Beautiful Colorado;
ED OBRIEN
I couldn't agree more. In addition to the fine points listed above, travel options are multiplied with both the Colorado Springs and Denver airports within reasonable driving distance (30 and 75 minutes drive, respectively). In addition to the AFAcademy, Colorado Springs is also home to NORAD, Schriever AFB (50th Space Wing), Fort Carson, and Peterson AFB (home to the Colorado Wing of CAP). (Disclosure: I live in CO ;D).
You forgot God's golf balls... :angel:
Don't forget the awesome selection of breweries up here in Northern Colorado! New Belgium, O'Dells, Fort Collins Brewery, Estes Park, I could go on and on.... Oh yeah, Budweiser. ;-)
Of course you must be 21 years of age or over to truly enjoy those tourist attractions.
If we are talking breweries we need to hold the thing in Boston... One of the few that I would fly a few hundred miles to tour
Quote from: Chappie on July 25, 2008, 03:38:14 PM
Quote from: Cecil DP on July 24, 2008, 04:41:36 PM
The conferences are always in the same cities, San Antonio, St Louis, Washington D.C., Reno, Vegas, and New Orleans. Only one in NER in the last 30 years. The site is only selected about 15-18 months out. most corperation schedule 5 years out. <SNIP>
The 2002 National Conference was held in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania --- which is in the NER, unless PAWG has withdrawn ;D It was in Cinncinati either in 98 or 99 (can't remember which).
Like I said one in NER-Philly. The one before that was in 1976-32 years ago. Cincinnati is in GLR. I had used the cities that were repeated 2 or more times over the last 25 years. Obviously I left out the one time locations such as San Diego, Tampa, and Denver.
Quote from: Cecil DP on July 26, 2008, 01:16:40 AM
Quote from: Chappie on July 25, 2008, 03:38:14 PM
Quote from: Cecil DP on July 24, 2008, 04:41:36 PM
The conferences are always in the same cities, San Antonio, St Louis, Washington D.C., Reno, Vegas, and New Orleans. Only one in NER in the last 30 years. The site is only selected about 15-18 months out. most corperation schedule 5 years out. <SNIP>
The 2002 National Conference was held in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania --- which is in the NER, unless PAWG has withdrawn ;D It was in Cinncinati either in 98 or 99 (can't remember which).
Like I said one in NER-Philly. The one before that was in 1976-32 years ago. Cincinnati is in GLR. I had used the cities that were repeated 2 or more times over the last 25 years. Obviously I left out the one time locations such as San Diego, Tampa, and Denver.
Is there a list available that shows all the locations over the past 25 years? I only recall one being held in New Orleans, and that was in the early 90s.
I would lobby for one in New Orleans for many reasons, but the cooler weather up North in August could definitely sway my vote ;D
How about Montgomery Alabama >:D