Mission Observer/Scanner training

Started by BradM, October 05, 2010, 08:29:10 PM

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MSgt Van

Nomex flight suit and gloves...what's next, a darn helmet? Don't forget the aviator sunglasses. That completes the look.

flyboy53

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Quote from: MSgt Van on October 06, 2010, 03:47:22 PM
Nomex flight suit and gloves...what's next, a darn helmet? Don't forget the aviator sunglasses. That completes the look.

OK, so the joke is that I was issued a flight helmet in CAP back in 1975 while assigned to the Indiana Wing because the wing still had O-1 Birddogs and, believe it or not, a BT-13. That helmet travels with me on to A/D, gets reconditioned at Elmendorf AFB, when I became a mission essential aircrew member on HC-130s and HH-3s, and then swaped out for a new one because I took such good care of it, and the Life Support guys wanted it for their collection.

I've actually had to use it once or twice in a 172, works well with an avionics adapter.

So, it's CAP's fault.

BradM

Quote from: dbaran on October 06, 2010, 03:22:18 AM
This is a current CAWG rule/policy as a result of a bad accident a few years back.   All ICs have been told to enforce it ... and I have not ever seen a case where it was not observed.  Yeah, it isn't published as an OI (although I did write the draft OI about a year ago because I didn't like unwritten rules myself).    We take it seriously because we remember the painful injuries that could have been prevented, and wouldn't want to have it happen again.

The only downside is that it can be hard to come up with a blue one, but they can be found at reasonable prices with a bit more searching.

What would a Nomex one have added? Are they fire proof?

And why is a blue one preferred?
BRAD MELILLO, 1st Lt, CAP
Finance Officer
Asst. Professional Development Officer
Brackett Composite Squadron 64
La Verne, CA

davidsinn

Quote from: BradM on October 06, 2010, 05:08:20 PM

What would a Nomex one have added? Are they fire proof?


You're kidding right? ???

Nomex is a fire resistant material by it's very nature. That's why flight suits are made of it.
Former CAP Captain
David Sinn

BradM

No I wasnt kidding. Having never served in any of the armed services nor as a pilot in any capacity "Nomex" was just a name to me. By the context of the posts I assumed it was fireproof and I wanted confirmation. Just because I have/had no prior knowledge of aviation flight suits and other aviation related topics doesnt mean I'm stupid. Just unexposed and unfamiliar with a lot of things regarding aviation. Which I assume in the months and years ahead I will be. :)
BRAD MELILLO, 1st Lt, CAP
Finance Officer
Asst. Professional Development Officer
Brackett Composite Squadron 64
La Verne, CA

PhotogPilot

Quote from: BradM on October 06, 2010, 06:10:32 PM
No I wasnt kidding. Having never served in any of the armed services nor as a pilot in any capacity "Nomex" was just a name to me. By the context of the posts I assumed it was fireproof and I wanted confirmation. Just because I have/had no prior knowledge of aviation flight suits and other aviation related topics doesnt mean I'm stupid. Just unexposed and unfamiliar with a lot of things regarding aviation. Which I assume in the months and years ahead I will be. :)

Some things are so ingrained is us that we forget that not everyone has had the same exposure to the terms of art that we use every day. Keep asking and learning. Blue flightsuit is required if you don't meet height/weight and/or grooming standards.

Майор Хаткевич

Quote from: PhotogPilot on October 06, 2010, 06:44:40 PM
Quote from: BradM on October 06, 2010, 06:10:32 PM
No I wasnt kidding. Having never served in any of the armed services nor as a pilot in any capacity "Nomex" was just a name to me. By the context of the posts I assumed it was fireproof and I wanted confirmation. Just because I have/had no prior knowledge of aviation flight suits and other aviation related topics doesnt mean I'm stupid. Just unexposed and unfamiliar with a lot of things regarding aviation. Which I assume in the months and years ahead I will be. :)

Some things are so ingrained is us that we forget that not everyone has had the same exposure to the terms of art that we use every day. Keep asking and learning. Blue flightsuit is required if you don't meet height/weight and/or grooming standards.

For a long time I believed Nomex to be some sort of fluid that they'd treat the threads with, so yes, we all have a learning curve with the organizational lingo and TLAs

SarDragon

All about Nomex®.

It would do you well to use a search engine to look up things you see, that you aren't familiar with.
Dave Bowles
Maj, CAP
AT1, USN Retired
50 Year Member
Mitchell Award (unnumbered)
C/WO, CAP, Ret

Hawk200

Quote from: USAFaux2004 on October 06, 2010, 07:52:46 PMFor a long time I believed Nomex to be some sort of fluid that they'd treat the threads with, so yes, we all have a learning curve with the organizational lingo and TLAs
I've actually met a few people that thought this, so you're not alone.

Nomex is a type of nylon that's been processed into a textile, and then can be woven into thread or a fabric. It's very similar to Kevar. A little bit of info from the chemical side:Linky.

Eclipse

Quote from: SarDragon on October 06, 2010, 08:12:54 PM
All about Nomex®.

It would do you well to use a search engine to look up things you see, that you aren't familiar with.

What is the AOL keyword for search engine?

"That Others May Zoom"

Hawk200

Quote from: Eclipse on October 06, 2010, 08:24:27 PM
Quote from: SarDragon on October 06, 2010, 08:12:54 PM
All about Nomex®.

It would do you well to use a search engine to look up things you see, that you aren't familiar with.

What is the AOL keyword for search engine?
"Google"?

HGjunkie

Wait a minute. AOL? I thought that thing died because noone used it except for their CD coasters.  ::)
••• retired
2d Lt USAF

vento

Quote from: HGjunkie on October 06, 2010, 08:57:48 PM
Wait a minute. AOL? I thought that thing died because noone used it except for their CD coasters.  ::)

You are too young, I still remember the days when Prodigy was number 1 in America and we had our first glimpse of online airfare booking via the Apollo system using our 1200 bps modem.  ;D

JeffDG

Ahhh...the days of Compuserve, where your e-mail address was only good with other Compuserve users and was a random string of numbers that was not changeable.  All that at 300 bps.  I could easily outype 300 baud...7.5 words per minute.

SarDragon

Punch cards and core memory, anyone?
Dave Bowles
Maj, CAP
AT1, USN Retired
50 Year Member
Mitchell Award (unnumbered)
C/WO, CAP, Ret

JeffDG

Quote from: SarDragon on October 06, 2010, 10:41:38 PM
Punch cards and core memory, anyone?

I can still read FORTRAN...don't ask me to write it, but if you slap some down in front of me, I can still understand what it's trying to do...COBOL too, but that was all the rage in the late '90s as well.

I've done backups on reel-to-reel tapes too...

SarDragon

Dave Bowles
Maj, CAP
AT1, USN Retired
50 Year Member
Mitchell Award (unnumbered)
C/WO, CAP, Ret

BradM

Quote from: SarDragon on October 06, 2010, 10:58:10 PM
Drifting a bit, are we?  ;)

Hey all of you knock it off with that ancient computer talk! ;)
BRAD MELILLO, 1st Lt, CAP
Finance Officer
Asst. Professional Development Officer
Brackett Composite Squadron 64
La Verne, CA

FlyTiger77

Quote from: JeffDG on October 06, 2010, 10:50:14 PM
Quote from: SarDragon on October 06, 2010, 10:41:38 PM
Punch cards and core memory, anyone?

I can still read FORTRAN...don't ask me to write it, but if you slap some down in front of me, I can still understand what it's trying to do...COBOL too, but that was all the rage in the late '90s as well.

I've done backups on reel-to-reel tapes too...

I remember using a cassette tape recorder as a storage device...
JACK E. MULLINAX II, Lt Col, CAP

indygreg

Quote from: FlyTiger77 on October 07, 2010, 02:05:48 AM
Quote from: JeffDG on October 06, 2010, 10:50:14 PM
Quote from: SarDragon on October 06, 2010, 10:41:38 PM
Punch cards and core memory, anyone?

I can still read FORTRAN...don't ask me to write it, but if you slap some down in front of me, I can still understand what it's trying to do...COBOL too, but that was all the rage in the late '90s as well.

I've done backups on reel-to-reel tapes too...

I remember using a cassette tape recorder as a storage device...


Me too, on my Commodore Vic 20