Air Force Special Forces

[Matt Moon]

How dose one go about doing this ?  combat controller & pararescueman in CAP ?

[Matt Moon]

USAF Special Forces - Combat Controller and Pararescue

[tsrup]

You can go to the orientation courses to get a taste of what these groups do.


but such titles and positions do not exist in CAP.

[Noble Six]

Air Force does not have Special Forces (Army).  Marines, Navy, Air Force and Coast Guard have Special Operations

[Flying Pig]

How dose one go about doing this ?  combat controller & pararescueman in CAP ?

CAP does not have Combat Controllers or Pararescue.  You join the USAF and you try-out for it.  Thats how you do it.  Were you under the impression that those were CAP members in the video?

Combat Control Orientation Course and Pararescue Orientation Course are week long activites cadets can attend that give you a very brief look into those career fields.  You apply to those to attend. 

[Stonewall]

Combat Control Orientation Course and Pararescue Orientation Course are week long activites cadets can attend that give you a very brief look into those career fields.  You apply to those to attend.

Your profile says you're 22.  These activities are for cadets, although limited slots are for senior member staff.

[RogueLeader]

At CCOC there is room for 2 Senior Members ad TAC officers.

[bassque]

Become a PJ.  They embed with the Seals.  Go through a lot of the same training.

[Flying Pig]

Ive never heard of PJ's "embedding" with SEALs?  They attend much of the same training, but they have different missions.

[titanII]

Ive never heard of PJ's "embedding" with SEALs?  They attend much of the same training, but they have different missions.

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As far as I know, CCTs/JTACs are the usual AF people to embed with SEALs. Not PJ's.

[bassque]

Ive never heard of PJ's "embedding" with SEALs?  They attend much of the same training, but they have different missions.

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As far as I know, CCTs/JTACs are the usual AF people to embed with SEALs. Not PJ's.

It may have changed over the years but I do know that PJs were mentioned quite a bit in the Howard Wasdin book last year.  He mentioned embedding quite a bit with Air Force PJs and mentioned a few times he owes his life to those guys.  Either way, they certainly are bad asses! 

http://www.homeofheroes.com/valor/02_awards/silverstar/6_PostRVN/10_somalia.html
http://www.amazon.com/SEAL-Team-Six-Memoirs-Sniper/dp/031269945X

[titanII]

It may have changed over the years but I do know that PJs were mentioned quite a bit in the Howard Wasdin book last year.  He mentioned embedding quite a bit with Air Force PJs and mentioned a few times he owes his life to those guys.  Either way, they certainly are bad asses! 

http://www.homeofheroes.com/valor/02_awards/silverstar/6_PostRVN/10_somalia.html
http://www.amazon.com/SEAL-Team-Six-Memoirs-Sniper/dp/031269945X

Well PJ's were involved in Mogadishu not because they were part of the initial strike, but because they were attempting to rescue the soldiers. (PJ= pararescue jumper)
But I can certainly agree that they're BA!

[SARDOC]

While it's very rare it's not unheard of having operators from multiple services working together in their areas of expertise.  This is the Nature of Special Operations now and why these multi service units fall underneath SOCOM.

When the 22 Navy SEALS were killed in the helicopter crash in Afghanistan there were 30 fatalities including three Airmen.  Two of these were Pararescuemen and the third was a combat controller embedded with NSWDEVGRU.  I think we will see more of that type of interservice cooperation into the future.

[Eagle 1]

While it's very rare it's not unheard of having operators from multiple services working together in their areas of expertise.  This is the Nature of Special Operations now and why these multi service units fall underneath SOCOM.

When the 22 Navy SEALS were killed in the helicopter crash in Afghanistan there were 30 fatalities including three Airmen.  Two of these were Pararescuemen and the third was a combat controller embedded with NSWDEVGRU.  I think we will see more of that type of interservice cooperation into the future.

PJs and CCT have been working with SEALS, Rangers, Green Berets, etc more and more extensively as the War on Terror has carried on. Four members of the Air Force special operations community have earned the Air Force Cross for actions on missions like these:

SrA Jason Cunningham – Afghanistan – PJ – 13 Sep 02 (Posthumously)
TSgt John Chapman – Afghanistan – CCT – 10 Jan 03 (Posthumously)
SSgt Zachary Rhyner – Afghanistan – CCT – 10 Mar 09
SSgt Robert Gutierrez – Afghanistan – CCT – 20 Sep 11

The mission to kill Bin Laden also had Pararescue embedded.

While a lot of the attention for PJs and CROs comes from them swooping in on HH-60s and pulling the wounded from battle, they also work beside other Special Forces medics on the ground, in the thick of it all.

[titanII]

While a lot of the attention for PJs and CROs comes from them swooping in on HH-60s and pulling the wounded from battle, they also work beside other Special Forces medics on the ground, in the thick of it all.

Oh, I wasn't aware that they participated in missions from the start. I had always thought that they were like combat EMT's (so to speak), they didn't get out there until somebody needed their help.
I learned something new today! 

[Eagle 1]

Well that's essentially what it's been (though they're paramedics). Call comes in for wounded (or shot down/missing) in the field and they go out and get them. It has grown to so much more as time has passed though.

Combat Rescue Afghanistan CSAR Pararescue "Pedros" Full Video
This is a pretty cool video of CSAR pilots and CROs/PJs in action - in the way most of us know.

[U.S.A.F. C.A.P.]

You can go to PJOC at Kirtland AFB, New Mexico and CCOC is at Pope AFB, North Carolina. Go to NCSA website and there is a lot of info. You also get trained by pararescue specialists and combat control specialists.

[RogueLeader]

You can go to PJOC at Kirtland AFB, New Mexico and CCOC is at Pope AFB, North Carolina. Go to NCSA website and there is a lot of info. You also get trained by pararescue specialists and combat control specialists.

CCOC is not a NSCA. It is run by Fayetteville Composite Squadron, NC007.

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2009 XO.

[cpyahoo]

A lot of focus is on PJs and CCT'ers.  Both great jobs.  But there are also Combat Weather Jumpers assigned to USAF Special Tactics teams with PJs and CCTs.  They are also assigned to Special Operations Weather Teams (SOWTs) and US Army Airborne units.
     Then you have TACPs (Tactical Air Control Party).  They are inbeddedwith US Army infabtry, mechanized and airborne units.  They also have limited special operations slots with US Army Rangers and Special Forces.
     Finally, you also have special operations positions that don't have AFSCs.  Ihave a friend that works spec ops as an "air commando" (not to be comfused with the 1st Air Commando pilots of Vietnam fame).  On paper, he still has the AFSC of Security Forces, but his job has nothing to do with the careerfield.  He's been to jump school, air assault and Pathfinder.  He won't go into specifics, but deploys quite a bit.
     there are positions with 6th SOS.  They do the FID/UW mission for 3rd workd country air forces much like US Army Special Forces does with guerilla fighters.
     Ther are also a bunch of classified assignments that come available as you progress in rank.  Another friend of mine who was a MSgt. in Security Forces spent his last 3 years in a classiied assignment in the NSA.

[SAR-EMT1]

Don't forget the 122nd SOS... " One of only three CAP units authorized by SOCOM to use live ammunition"

http://122sos.freeservers.com/

[Spaceman3750]

Don't forget the 122nd SOS... " One of only three CAP units authorized by SOCOM to use live ammunition"

http://122sos.freeservers.com/

If SOPA passes can we get that thing turned off?

[Extremepredjudice]

Don't forget the 122nd SOS... " One of only three CAP units authorized by SOCOM to use live ammunition"

http://122sos.freeservers.com/

If SOPA passes can we get that thing turned off?

Freeservers.com would be shutdown by SOPA/PIPA.

[Buzz]

Air Force does not have Special Forces (Army).  Marines, Navy, Air Force and Coast Guard have Special Operations

Actually, special operations performed by special forces.  The Army picked up the definition of the type of force and use it as a designator, while the rest use the type of activity and use that for a designator.  To be completely accurate, the USAF Special Operations Command is divided into Special Operations Squadrons, who perform special operations.

Another example is that civil air patrol is what we DO (as opposed to, say COMBAT air patrol), and that's how we got our name (the same as the law enforcement agencies who perform highway patrol are generally CALLED Highway Patrol).

If you're going to provide guidance to someone for being imprecise in their words, you must expect the same "courtesy" from others.