Flight Suit Question

[SarDragon]

Isn't the ASNP the embroidered version that we aren't allowed to wear?

Not in the context that I know it. The Air Force referred to it as such when they went to it on BDUs some years ago. Only a leather one was allowed on BDUs.

OK, I sit corrected. 

[Fuzzy]

USAF wore leather sytle name patches on the BDU? That must have looked horrible.

I tried to google it but does anybody have a picture of such animal?

[FARRIER]

USAF wore leather sytle name patches on the BDU? That must have looked horrible.

I tried to google it but does anybody have a picture of such animal?

It actually gave the uniform a clean look.

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

USAF wore leather sytle name patches on the BDU? That must have looked horrible.

I tried to google it but does anybody have a picture of such animal?

It actually gave the uniform a clean look.

I remember it.  It was around the same era as the Tony McPeak uniform.

It did give the uniform a clean look, and it was designed to lessen wear on the uniform from sewing insignia on, but eventually I think it was scrapped because of officer recognition.  When approaching, you couldn't see the rank until you were close enough to read the nameplate.

[cap235629]

USAF wore leather sytle name patches on the BDU? That must have looked horrible.

I tried to google it but does anybody have a picture of such animal?

It actually gave the uniform a clean look.

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little at the memory. CLEAN?

[SarDragon]

Different strokes for different folks!

[JayT]

USAF wore leather sytle name patches on the BDU? That must have looked horrible.

I tried to google it but does anybody have a picture of such animal?

It was just the BDU's with a leather nameplate over the left pocket. If you look at a lot of pictures of Airmen from the first gulf war you'll see it.

[PHall]

USAF wore leather sytle name patches on the BDU? That must have looked horrible.

I tried to google it but does anybody have a picture of such animal?

It actually gave the uniform a clean look.

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little at the memory. CLEAN?

Yeah, clean. Only thing attached to the BDU blouse was that 3" x 5" black leather name tag.

Real common during the First Gulf War when we were trying to get everybody into the Desert Cammo Uniforms as quick as possible.

This only applied to the Air Force.

[cap235629]

This only applied to the Air Force.

Yes and us Army guys were glad to let them have it.....

[PHall]

This only applied to the Air Force.

Yes and us Army guys were glad to let them have it.....

Wasn't our choice. But our ground guys were pretty happy to get out of those Woodland BDU's though.
To those of us who wore flight suits it was just another day in the fun zone.

[Eclipse]

I've seen photos, but can't find anything now - the nearest thing I can find is Navy DCU's with a name badge area.

[FARRIER]

Here is a fuzzy photo.

[lordmonar]

USAF wore leather sytle name patches on the BDU? That must have looked horrible.

I tried to google it but does anybody have a picture of such animal?

It actually gave the uniform a clean look.

I remember it.  It was around the same era as the Tony McPeak uniform.

It did give the uniform a clean look, and it was designed to lessen wear on the uniform from sewing insignia on, but eventually I think it was scrapped because of officer recognition.  When approaching, you couldn't see the rank until you were close enough to read the nameplate.

Actually it was the SNCO's who were pissed off the most.

[PHall]

USAF wore leather sytle name patches on the BDU? That must have looked horrible.

I tried to google it but does anybody have a picture of such animal?

It actually gave the uniform a clean look.

I remember it.  It was around the same era as the Tony McPeak uniform.

It did give the uniform a clean look, and it was designed to lessen wear on the uniform from sewing insignia on, but eventually I think it was scrapped because of officer recognition.  When approaching, you couldn't see the rank until you were close enough to read the nameplate.

Actually it was the SNCO's who were pissed off the most.

Okay Pat, I'll bite. Why would the SNCO's be upset? Amn Snuffie salute them by accident or something?

[Hawk200]

USAF wore leather sytle name patches on the BDU? That must have looked horrible.

I tried to google it but does anybody have a picture of such animal?

It actually gave the uniform a clean look.

I remember it.  It was around the same era as the Tony McPeak uniform.

It did give the uniform a clean look, and it was designed to lessen wear on the uniform from sewing insignia on, but eventually I think it was scrapped because of officer recognition.  When approaching, you couldn't see the rank until you were close enough to read the nameplate.

Actually it was the SNCO's who were pissed off the most.

Okay Pat, I'll bite. Why would the SNCO's be upset? Amn Snuffie salute them by accident or something?

They were annoyed about losing their big stripes. Some people would call it compensation issues.

And it was a 2"x4" nametag, not a 3"x5" inch one. It's the exact same size as the one on the flightsuit.

Initially, any black leather nametag could be worn. It later changed to a non-glossy leather with stitching around the border. I got away with one of the "patent" leather ones for several months, usually with "Well, I'm gonna order some today after work". Truth was, I kept forgetting to do so.

The officer thing was a bit of an issue, and the biggest reason was that many officers were removing the rank on their headgear. Don't know why they would, but it was a fairly common problem. Had more than a few that challenged me on failure to salute, and I'd look at their hat and ask where their rank was. The usual response was "We don't wear hat rank with this leather nametag." I would usually reply "Sir (or Ma'am), the leather nameplate change only addresses insignia worn on the BDU shirt. The message clearly states that no other parts of the uniform are affected."

I remember a later message that circulated stating that rank was still required on headgear for officers, but it was kind of moot by that point, as all rank insignia came back a few months later.

[PHall]

I would be perfectally happy to go back to the ASNP on BDU's/ABU's/BBDU's/whatever.
Minimal sewing and it is distinctive. And minimal investment in Vanguard's profit pool.

[Hawk200]

I would be perfectally happy to go back to the ASNP on BDU's/ABU's/BBDU's/whatever.
Minimal sewing and it is distinctive. And minimal investment in Vanguard's profit pool.

I hear that. I do know of one unit where the seniors wore them that way. Yeah, I know, not legal, but they did it. Of course, they also got in trouble for wearing subdued grade insignia on headgear.

Have you ever noticed that if you did it early and it was adopted, it's setting a trend; but if it's not adopted, you're a rule breaking black sheep?

[MSgt Van]

No patches, just the leather name tag. Simple. I wore this sometime around '88. It didn't last long.

[Mustang]

As-in they have officially sponsored Regional Conferences, so NHQ is fully aware of their existence.

And the Hock Shop used to advertise in the CAP News too...

Not relevant - that was during a time before CAP had an exclusive contract with an outside company which is contractually bound to enforce that exclusivity.

....which sorta renders your earlier post "not relevant" too...

But will they do CAP badges?

They do. Check the site for the options available.

NO!  BAD!  BAD!  BAD!  Now I feel a C&D letter coming.  BAD!

They are an official CAP sponsor, as has been discussed here before.

A word to the wise, folks: if you have a favorite non-Vanguard supplier of CAP stuff, don't post their name/website out in the open (and don't tell Eclipse, either  ). They WILL get a C&D letter from NHQ.

Exclusive means exclusive.

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

No patches, just the leather name tag. Simple. I wore this sometime around '88. It didn't last long.

That long ago?  I remember seeing them in the early to mid '90s...

I would be all for CAP adopting this for both the BDU and BBDU.  It's distinctive, looks good, and adheres to the K.I.S.S. philosophy.