Search And Rescue gear price list's.

[Hoorah]

Hello, I have a 300$ SAR gear budget. So please enlighten me on the different price options, with purchasing SAR gear with the list I have.
SAR Vest.
Waterproof containers.
Ground Team Members Handbook.
Signal mirror.
Small first aid kit.
Light Sticks.
Wooden matches or lighter.
50' Nylon Line.
Duck Tape.
Pen Flashlight.
Mini flashlight.
Flagging Tape.
Flashlight with red lens.
Interview forms.
Poncho.
Military space poncho.
Canteens.
Sleeping pad.
If I am missing anything let me know.
Thanks.

[NC Hokie]

Hello, I have a 300$ SAR gear budget. So please enlighten me on the different options, on purchasing SAR gear with the list I have.

Here's my advice:

SAR Vest.
See what your squadron or fellow cadets have and use that. Your best bet if money is tight is to get a set of ALICE gear from eBay.  You'll need a pistol belt, suspenders, two ammo pouches, two canteen covers, and a butt pack. You can frequently find a whole set for under $30.00 if you don't mind getting used equipment.

Waterproof containers.
Zip lock bags. Generic brands are okay, but be sure to use double bags on items that absolutely cannot get wet (electronics, etc.).

Ground Team Members Handbook.
You have to get this from Vanguard unless you can get one from your squadron.  See if your commander can add one onto an existing order to save on shipping, or collect money from others that need it and order them all at the same time.

Small first aid kit.
Build your own, as none of the store-bought kits will have everything that you need.

Signal mirror.
Light Sticks.
Wooden matches or lighter.
50' Nylon Line.
Duck Tape.
Pen Flashlight.
Mini flashlight.
Flagging Tape.
Flashlight with red lens.
Poncho.
Start by looking in the hardware (flagging tape, duct tape) and sporting-goods (everything else) sections of Wal-Mart, Target, etc.  Whatever you don't find there can be found at a large sporting goods store like Dick's or REI.  The poncho you're looking for here is one of the $1.00-$2.00 pocket-sized ponchos that you can put into one of your cargo pockets for quick access if a sudden rain storm comes up.

Military space poncho.
Canteens.
Sleeping pad.
Military surplus stores or eBay.  I'd STRONGLY recommend getting new canteens, as they're cheap and you never know what's been in any used ones you might find.

Interview forms.
Sorry, can't help you here.  The ones I have were found on the internet years ago and I 1) can't remember where they came from and 2) am not sure that they're "approved" for use in my own wing, let alone yours.

[Hoorah]

Hello, I have a 300$ SAR gear budget. So please enlighten me on the different options, on purchasing SAR gear with the list I have.

Here's my advice:

SAR Vest.
See what your squadron or fellow cadets have and use that. Your best bet if money is tight is to get a set of ALICE gear from eBay.  You'll need a pistol belt, suspenders, two ammo pouches, two canteen covers, and a butt pack. You can frequently find a whole set for under $30.00 if you don't mind getting used equipment.

Waterproof containers.
Zip lock bags. Generic brands are okay, but be sure to use double bags on items that absolutely cannot get wet (electronics, etc.).

Ground Team Members Handbook.
You have to get this from Vanguard unless you can get one from your squadron.  See if your commander can add one onto an existing order to save on shipping, or collect money from others that need it and order them all at the same time.

Small first aid kit.
Build your own, as none of the store-bought kits will have everything that you need.

Signal mirror.
Light Sticks.
Wooden matches or lighter.
50' Nylon Line.
Duck Tape.
Pen Flashlight.
Mini flashlight.
Flagging Tape.
Flashlight with red lens.
Poncho.
Start by looking in the hardware (flagging tape, duct tape) and sporting-goods (everything else) sections of Wal-Mart, Target, etc.  Whatever you don't find there can be found at a large sporting goods store like Dick's or REI.  The poncho you're looking for here is one of the $1.00-$2.00 pocket-sized ponchos that you can put into one of your cargo pockets for quick access if a sudden rain storm comes up.

Military space poncho.
Canteens.
Sleeping pad.
Military surplus stores or eBay.  I'd STRONGLY recommend getting new canteens, as they're cheap and you never know what's been in any used ones you might find.

Interview forms.
Sorry, can't help you here.  The ones I have were found on the internet years ago and I 1) can't remember where they came from and 2) am not sure that they're "approved" for use in my own wing, let alone yours.

Thanks but I also need a price list so I know where to buy and how much.

[Hoorah]

Example.
Ranger Joes 59.95 Backpack
and so on.

[NC Hokie]

Thanks but I also need a price list so I know where to buy and how much.

You did not ask for prices in your first post, and I really do not have the time to do this for you.  I've given you the where (eBay, Vanguard, Wal-Mart, etc.), but it's ultimately your responsibility to find the exact products and prices that meet your needs.  That said, a budget of $300.00 is more than sufficient to equip yourself with an adequate 24-hour pack, so you shouldn't worry that you'll need to sacrifice quality to stay within your budget.

[Hoorah]

Thanks but I also need a price list so I know where to buy and how much.

You did not ask for prices in your first post, and I really do not have the time to do this for you.  I've given you the where (eBay, Vanguard, Wal-Mart, etc.), but it's ultimately your responsibility to find the exact products and prices that meet your needs.  That said, a budget of $300.00 is more than sufficient to equip yourself with an adequate 24-hour pack, so you shouldn't worry that you'll need to sacrifice quality to stay within your budget.

Ranger Joes is more expensive.

[Pylon]

Cadet Williams,

There are dozens of places to buy this gear.  Some will be cheaper, some will be better quality.  There's no limit on the upper end of how much you can spend on what some people will call "snivel gear."  Sometimes you don't need the best quality item, you just need whatever does the job.  It depends.

Lt. Hess's recommendations were spot on.  Search around on eBay (that's www.ebay.com) for maybe a used Alice pack or LBV (load bearing vest).  For the cheapest, most basic option, this will get the job done and, also as Lt. Hess already pointed out, you should probably be able to get one of these setups fairly cheap.  Maybe under $30.

If you have room in your budget, get a better pack.  My advice is get the best pack you can afford, because it will affect your comfortableness in the field, how long it will last, and the ease with which you can store and access your stuff.      What pack you select also depends on how much gear you need to haul, how often you plan on realistically using the stuff, how hard you'll be using it and in what conditions.   For example, I am not a GT guy but I needed a pack for doing bivouacs with cadets several times a year at max, and settled on a 3-day pack pretty similar in price/size/setup to this one.  It works really well for me.  If I was trucking a full GTM1 load around, and was keeping up a serious GT OPSTEMPO, I'd probably have a much different pack.

Since you're talking about ground team stuff, and you can't be a GTM trainee (nor really have a ground team) without a Ground Team Leader around, ask your GTL what he or she thinks works best for your ground team in your area for your OPSTEMPO.  Your GTL will know better what type of pack you should realistically need.  If there's no GTL around to ask, that's probably a sign you won't need any of this gear.

As for cheap gear (like the signal mirror, light sticks, wooden matches or lighter, duct tape, pen flashlight, mini flashlight, flagging tape, and poncho) you can probably find cheaper at your local Walmart, sporting goods store or hardware store than you will be able to on the Internet.  Some of that stuff you might even be able to get at a Dollar Store (flagging tape, lighters, duct tape, maybe even light sticks).

If you want to look for comparable prices, or window shop, see the price list for OLC (http://olcnet.com/), CheaperThanDirt (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com), USCav (http://uscav.com/), Dicks Sporting Goods (http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/) and similar websites.

[Hoorah]

Cadet Williams,

There are dozens of places to buy this gear.  Some will be cheaper, some will be better quality.  There's no limit on the upper end of how much you can spend on what some people will call "snivel gear."  Sometimes you don't need the best quality item, you just need whatever does the job.  It depends.

Lt. Hess's recommendations were spot on.  Search around on eBay (that's www.ebay.com) for maybe a used Alice pack or LBV (load bearing vest).  For the cheapest, most basic option, this will get the job done and, also as Lt. Hess already pointed out, you should probably be able to get one of these setups fairly cheap.  Maybe under $30.

If you have room in your budget, get a better pack.  My advice is get the best pack you can afford, because it will affect your comfortableness in the field, how long it will last, and the ease with which you can store and access your stuff.      What pack you select also depends on how much gear you need to haul, how often you plan on realistically using the stuff, how hard you'll be using it and in what conditions.   For example, I am not a GT guy but I needed a pack for doing bivouacs with cadets several times a year at max, and settled on a 3-day pack pretty similar in price/size/setup to this one.  It works really well for me.  If I was trucking a full GTM1 load around, and was keeping up a serious GT OPSTEMPO, I'd probably have a much different pack.

Since you're talking about ground team stuff, and you can't be a GTM trainee (nor really have a ground team) without a Ground Team Leader around, ask your GTL what he or she thinks works best for your ground team in your area for your OPSTEMPO.  Your GTL will know better what type of pack you should realistically need.  If there's no GTL around to ask, that's probably a sign you won't need any of this gear.

As for cheap gear (like the signal mirror, light sticks, wooden matches or lighter, duct tape, pen flashlight, mini flashlight, flagging tape, and poncho) you can probably find cheaper at your local Walmart, sporting goods store or hardware store than you will be able to on the Internet.  Some of that stuff you might even be able to get at a Dollar Store (flagging tape, lighters, duct tape, maybe even light sticks).

If you want to look for comparable prices, or window shop, see the price list for OLC (http://olcnet.com/), CheaperThanDirt (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com), USCav (http://uscav.com/), Dicks Sporting Goods (http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/) and similar websites.

New problem I hate money orders so I would have to use prepaid credit card's.

[Hoorah]

Here is what I will do I will search every forum for SAR gear.

[Al Sayre]

Here is a good place to start:  http://wardenssupplyco.com/cart/index.php
They have about 95% of what you need for reasonable prices.

[davidsinn]

Williams, Have you ever heard the parable that starts off with "you can give a man a fish...?

[Stonewall]

Williams.

Read this thread in another forum on how to put your gear together...you'll enjoy it.  Click here.

Read this thread in another forum on how to put your medical kit together...you'll enjoy it.  Click here.

[Pumbaa]

How about you learn to use the search option, and how about you take initiative rather than suck the blood out of others?

You have a lot to learn boy.

[Hoorah]

I am happy I have found my SAR gear.
SAR Vest. $39.00.
Ground Team Members Handbook  $6.90.
Signal mirror $11.95.
Small first aid kit $14.97.
Light Sticks $7.50.
Wooden matches or lighters $7.95.
Pen Flashlight $16.99.
Mini flashlight $24.95.
Flashlight with red lens accessory pack mag $4.99.
Camelback $29.00.
Rope bag  thigh $32.62.
Holder ground team $9.35.
Ground team log book $13.00.
Websites where I found the SAR gear.
http://www.basegear.com/starflash.html
http://www.rangerjoes.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=matches&__ncforminfo=kxOTYdBAkorOWw28NTCfMSJbVKkX-JPYkcnroLhSqWoD6wp5ls9jow%3D%3D&x=0&y=0
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MHR400-1.html
http://www.rangerjoes.com/flashlight-mini-maglite-led-p-3542.html
http://www.rangerjoes.com/flashlight-mini-mag-accessory-pack-p-352.html
http://www.ondutygear.com/hatch-w7.html
http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info.php?cPath=30_165&products_id=28494
http://www.afmo.com/Condor_Molle_Hydration_System_HCB_p/209-00365.htm
http://www.vanguardmil.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6_2220_386&products_id=13552
http://www.vanguardmil.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6_2220_386&products_id=6971
http://www.vanguardmil.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6_2220_386&products_id=13552
*Do not try and change my decision.*
Comment on what you think about my decision final.

[Strick]

heres what I recommend,

go with wardens, you cant beat the prices.  Good quality gear from good to excellent conditions.  Rest of the stuff you will need you can find in the camping section of wal-mart.

[Hoorah]

I have made my final decision do not deter my final decision.

[Strick]

OKIE DOKIE THEN, good luck   

[Rotorhead]

I have made my final decision do not deter my final decision.

Don't ask for comments if yo don't want to hear them.

[Hoorah]

I have made my final decision do not deter my final decision.

Don't ask for comments if yo don't want to hear them.

I want to hear comments just not on changing my final decision.

[JayT]

I have made my final decision do not deter my final decision.

Don't ask for comments if yo don't want to hear them.

I want to hear comments just not on changing my final decision.

So what do you want comments on? Congrats Airman Williams, you've made some great choices for gear you'll never use.

[Hoorah]

I have made my final decision do not deter my final decision.

Don't ask for comments if yo don't want to hear them.

I want to hear comments just not on changing my final decision.

So what do you want comments on? Congrats Airman Williams, you've made some great choices in your gear there for stuff you'll never use.

I will be able to use it not just for SAR but other CAP unit activities,etc.

[Stonewall]

AWESOME!!!



And the Rope Deployment Bag....a must item for all CAP Ground Team Members!  Good Choice!


You're going to spend more on shipping costs than it would cost to outfit yourself with a single set of 24hr gear.

[Hoorah]

Thanks Stonewall.

[Eclipse]

I am happy I have found my SAR gear.
SAR Vest. $39.00.
Ground Team Members Handbook  $6.90. Download and bind at Kinkos for ~$10.
Signal mirror $11.95.
Small first aid kit $14.97.
Light Sticks $7.50.
Wooden matches or lighters $7.95.
Pen Flashlight $16.99. $No more than $5.
Mini flashlight $24.95. S/B No more than $10
Flashlight with red lens accessory pack mag $4.99. Unnecessary, A $25 flashlight should have multi-color LED's.
Camelback $29.00.
Rope bag  thigh $32.62.
Holder ground team $9.35.
Ground team log book $13.00.

Too much weight, too expensive, and real men don't play SAR with Airsoft junk.  Get yourself an Orange SARMed for the same price
and it will be less "hardkewl" but more functional.

Frankly, for a new GT3-T, you should be able to walk into Wal*Mart with ~$50, and walk out with the whole list and some change.
Throw it all in a cheap backpack with some water bottles - then replace things as you use them up and understand what you really want / need.

Don't be the guy who shows up to a UDF mission in an urban area with full battle-rattle including a plate holder and a SQTR with GT3-T still wet, especially as a cadet with what I presume to be limited funds.

[Pumbaa]

Nice.. so the cadet disses a senior who is a Major...

Way to burn bridges boy...

[Hoorah]

I am happy I have found my SAR gear.
SAR Vest. $39.00.
Ground Team Members Handbook  $6.90. Download and bind at Kinkos for ~$10.
Signal mirror $11.95.
Small first aid kit $14.97.
Light Sticks $7.50.
Wooden matches or lighters $7.95.
Pen Flashlight $16.99. $No more than $5.
Mini flashlight $24.95. S/B No more than $10
Flashlight with red lens accessory pack mag $4.99. Unnecessary, A $25 flashlight should have multi-color LED's.
Camelback $29.00.
Rope bag  thigh $32.62.
Holder ground team $9.35.
Ground team log book $13.00.

Too much weight, too expensive, and real men don't play SAR with Airsoft junk.  Get yourself an Orange SARMed for the same price
and it will be less "hardkewl" but more functional.

Frankly, for a new GT3-T, you should be able to walk into Wal*Mart with ~$50, and walk out with the whole list and some change.
Throw it all in a cheap backpack with some water bottles - then replace things as you use them up and understand what you really want / need.

Don't be the guy who shows up to a UDF mission in an urban area with full battle-rattle including a plate holder and a SQTR with GT3-T still wet, especially as a cadet with what I presume to be limited funds.

I understand your concerns but I like mine better no offense.

[Hoorah]

I have saved $50.83 for shipping.

[IceNine]

By spending $3 in gas to see Sam?

[Al Sayre]

I have made my final decision do not deter my final decision.

Don't ask for comments if yo don't want to hear them.

I want to hear comments just not on changing my final decision.

So what do you want comments on? Congrats Airman Williams, you've made some great choices for gear you'll never use.

And spent about 3-4 times more money than you needed to.
Sportsman's Guide and Bargain Outfitters are also a great source for reasonably priced gear for the rest of us...

[Hoorah]

 I see sir.

[JayT]

I am happy I have found my SAR gear.
SAR Vest. $39.00.
Ground Team Members Handbook  $6.90. Download and bind at Kinkos for ~$10.
Signal mirror $11.95.
Small first aid kit $14.97.
Light Sticks $7.50.
Wooden matches or lighters $7.95.
Pen Flashlight $16.99. $No more than $5.
Mini flashlight $24.95. S/B No more than $10
Flashlight with red lens accessory pack mag $4.99. Unnecessary, A $25 flashlight should have multi-color LED's.
Camelback $29.00.
Rope bag  thigh $32.62.
Holder ground team $9.35.
Ground team log book $13.00.

Too much weight, too expensive, and real men don't play SAR with Airsoft junk.  Get yourself an Orange SARMed for the same price
and it will be less "hardkewl" but more functional.

Frankly, for a new GT3-T, you should be able to walk into Wal*Mart with ~$50, and walk out with the whole list and some change.
Throw it all in a cheap backpack with some water bottles - then replace things as you use them up and understand what you really want / need.

Don't be the guy who shows up to a UDF mission in an urban area with full battle-rattle including a plate holder and a SQTR with GT3-T still wet, especially as a cadet with what I presume to be limited funds.

I understand your concerns but I like mine better no offense.

So what do you want comments on? You're gonna buy a bunch of junk that you have no use for.  Aren't you seventeen? You should be saving for college.
I see this same thing all the time with new guys coming out of their EMT school or the EMS Academy. Forty pounds of gear they have no use for on their person that they don't have a need for.

[Hoorah]

Alright so I see you guys want me to change my decision totally so I will let you guys tell me what i need to get. I want to buy it from the internet.

[Pumbaa]

Does this board have a kill file or ignore?  I tire of this foolishness.

[Eclipse]

Alright so I see you guys want me to change my decision tell me what to get rid of and what to keep I will be buying all from internet so help me.

Take the list in the manual and find the bare-bones equivalent at your local big-box.  Keep it in a cheap school bag until you
actually start doing something with it, then build your kit as things break or you need an upgrade based on hands-on
experience.

As you do upgrade, look to eBay and fellow members first before dropping your credit card at Ranger Joe's.  Almost anything you
"need" can be picked up for pennies on the dollar if keep your eyes open and jump on opportunity.

My first web gear was a $25 ELBV that still had sand in it - best gear I ever used.  From there I bought a full-on BlackHawk Tac Vest with
medical leg bag and complete GT gear, including multiples of many items like name-brand knives, Mag-Lights, and all the First-Aid gear, plus batteries and meals.

That was...$50 total because a member was moving and was no longer interested in Ground Sar.

The ELBV got me through Katrina, and I wish I'd had a SARMed.  The BlackHawk has never seen real action because its a PITA.  Thank goodness I didn't actually pay what it was worth.

[Pumbaa]

Fools learn from experience. Wise men learn from the experience of others...

[Hoorah]

Alright so I see you guys want me to change my decision tell me what to get rid of and what to keep I will be buying all from internet so help me.

Take the list in the manual and find the bare-bones equivalent at your local big-box.  keep it in a cheap school bag until you
actually start doing something with it, then build your kit as things break or you need an upgrade base on hands-on
experience.

Alright I see where your going with this I  would like to have a cheap vest to start out with that has pockets then add to when needed.

[Hoorah]

Here's what I will do I will research the cheapest SAR gear list I can make. Since you did not like my original decision.

[Eclipse]

Its not for us to "like" it.  Don't you have leaders in your unit who can help you with these kinds of thing?

[IceNine]

I have been working on ground team in CAP for over 10 years.  I've gone through the entire revolution from geardo to practical searcher.

Start with a SAR/Med Vest, fill the rest from Wal-mart's sporting goods, hardware, and other sections.  Below I have listed the specific items that I ordered because I couldn't find them local

You can spend $300 on stuff that you "need" because it's on the list, or you can spend 1/3 of that and after a few hours in the field you'll decide which items to keep, throw away, and upgrade.

No one on this board can give you as much information as your local GTL's and ESO's.  They will be able to tell you specifically which items they've never touched, and which they wouldn't leave home without.

I personally carry the items below

Multi-tool
Comfortable vest
Decent writing tool
Notepad
Decent First Aid kit - I bought this one, and supplemented it.
Whistle
Flashlight (Radio Shack 4 color LED and Maglight)
Camelbak (the one I use is discontinued.

Almost everything else I got from local hardware stores and wal-mart.

Be wise spend the money as necessary but not foolishly. 

[lordmonar]

I have been working on ground team in CAP for over 10 years.  I've gone through the entire revolution from geardo to practical searcher.

Start with a SAR/Med Vest, fill the rest from Wal-mart's sporting goods, hardware, and other sections.  Below I have listed the specific items that I ordered because I couldn't find them local

You can spend $300 on stuff that you "need" because it's on the list, or you can spend 1/3 of that and after a few hours in the field you'll decide which items to keep, throw away, and upgrade.

No one on this board can give you as much information as your local GTL's and ESO's.  They will be able to tell you specifically which items they've never touched, and which they wouldn't leave home without.

I personally carry the items below

Multi-tool
Comfortable vest
Decent writing tool
Notepad
Decent First Aid kit - I bought this one, and supplemented it.
Whistle
Flashlight (Radio Shack 4 color LED and Maglight)
Camelbak (the one I use is discontinued.

Almost everything else I got from local hardware stores and wal-mart.

Be wise spend the money as necessary but not foolishly.

+1

[Dracosbane]

Cadet Williams, please take a breath and count to ten.  I'd like to clarify some things, as these other SM's have been trying to do for you.  As you've asked for help building your gear list, you've overlooked one critical piece of info.  Just because you can go buy all the bells and whistles and slick do-dads, doesn't mean you should.

Yes, the idea of "you get what you pay for" will be better for you in the long run, but when you're just starting out, perfect is the enemy of good.  Finding what you're comfortable with and what works for you should be 1) a personal quest, and 2) something that happens over time, not all at once, just because you can.

You'll probably find once you do get out in the field, that all the fancy gear is a burden more than a benefit.  What I believe everyone so far has been trying to help with on here is giving you a bit of perspective before you learn first hand.  However, doing for one's self is a great teacher, so by all means, get what you want and get the experience by doing.

I will second (or third or fourth) the idea of speaking to those members of the GT, your GTL, people in your unit, and get a local perspective.  Sometimes gear is region specific, and sometimes it's only necessary to toss into your eventual 72 hr pack as a just in case. 

The Scout motto of "Be prepared" also means being prepared properly, not just with every piece of equipment you can think of.  Be practical too.

[Hoorah]

I understandfully what you are saying.

[Hoorah]

I am getting tired of *litterally banging my head against the wall* where do I find the Ground Team Logbook other than Vanguard? I will not ever buy stuff from vanguard unless the main place is out. I am looking for a download of the Ground Team Logbook

[Stonewall]

I am getting tired of *litterally banging my head against the wall*

You may want to invest in one of these...



I've got one for sale.  It's a few years old but I'll sell it to ya for $50.  They usually run around $90.

[Eclipse]

I am getting tired of *litterally banging my head against the wall* where do I find the Ground Team Logbook other than Vanguard? I will not ever buy stuff from vanguard unless the main place is out. I am looking for a download of the Ground Team Logbook

Nowhere - that is a CAP-specific item.

Save your money and light up a spreadsheet on Google Docs.

[Hoorah]

I am getting tired of *litterally banging my head against the wall* where do I find the Ground Team Logbook other than Vanguard? I will not ever buy stuff from vanguard unless the main place is out. I am looking for a download of the Ground Team Logbook

Nowhere - that is a CAP-specific item.

Save your money and light up a spreadsheet on Google Docs.

I know how to get a copy of it only if I knew someone who could scan a copy and post it.

[davidsinn]

I am getting tired of *litterally banging my head against the wall* where do I find the Ground Team Logbook other than Vanguard? I will not ever buy stuff from vanguard unless the main place is out. I am looking for a download of the Ground Team Logbook

Nowhere - that is a CAP-specific item.

Save your money and light up a spreadsheet on Google Docs.

I know how to get a copy of it only if I knew someone who could scan a copy and post it.

Isn't that copyright infringement?

Why are you worrying about ES? You are an airman that has been in almost three years. If you were one of my cadets I would have terminated you about 18 months ago for non-progression. You need to get with the program and stop concerning yourself with the extras.

[Hoorah]

Well I have a perfectally good reason why I am just now a Cadet Airman.

[heliodoc]

I am looking at the Aircrew & Flightline Tasks, Ground and UDF Direction Finding Team Tasks, and Mission Base Staff Tasks

Where in any preface in those three taskbooks indicate any copyright infringement?...it needs to be stated in such a way...

"No part of this book may be reproduced in any form, or by any electronic, mechanical, or other means,without permission in writing from the publisher."

CAP or Vanguard got that written in those taskbooks?   Isn't printed in any of 'em

I wouldn't get too excited about throwin around that "copyright  infringement" around so readily when it is not printed in the taskbooks

[Eclipse]

I am getting tired of *litterally banging my head against the wall* where do I find the Ground Team Logbook other than Vanguard? I will not ever buy stuff from vanguard unless the main place is out. I am looking for a download of the Ground Team Logbook

Nowhere - that is a CAP-specific item.

Save your money and light up a spreadsheet on Google Docs.

I know how to get a copy of it only if I knew someone who could scan a copy and post it.

Just make a spreadsheet with the same, or similar field names at the top and move on.

[davidsinn]

Well I have a perfectally good reason why I am just now a Cadet Airman.

Unless it involves a long hospitalization...I doubt it. You took as long to go from a basic to airman as it took me to go from second lieutenant to first and that includes an 18 month time in grade requirement.

You should be a senior NCO by now. There isn't really a good excuse for a cadet to take two years to make airman first class.

@heliodoc, I haven't looked in them in a while but you are correct in that case especially as they are available for download straight from NHQ. He's looking for the logbook, however, and I don't know what that says nor is it freely available.

[Eclipse]

I am looking at the Aircrew & Flightline Tasks, Ground and UDF Direction Finding Team Tasks, and Mission Base Staff Tasks

That isn't the publication we're discussing.

[Hoorah]

Well I have a perfectally good reason why I am just now a Cadet Airman.

Unless it involves a long hospitalization...I doubt it. You took as long to go from a basic to airman as it took me to go from second lieutenant to first and that includes an 18 month time in grade requirement.

You should be a senior NCO by now. There isn't really a good excuse for a cadet to take two years to make airman first class.

@heliodoc, I haven't looked in them in a while but you are correct in that case especially as they are available for download straight from NHQ. He's looking for the logbook, however, and I don't know what that says nor is it freely available.

Well I Joined CAP December 2007 then my step dad was diagnosed with cancer so I took almost 2 years of absence, I did not return to cap till spring of 09 then had some hard times setbacks grieving other step father's death, and school I have been staying strong in CAP from summer,fall to now.

[heliodoc]

^^^

Now that has a "copyright  infringement" statement.  OOO so technical.....it needed one

Mr Williams...like everyone says here make on one your own

[heliodoc]

Well folks

Mr Williams has addressed something, if true, once again possibly proving CAPTalkers stepping on themselves over his CAP progression.

If this is what is keeping MR Williams in CAP and and no one in his chain of command (spell lack of leadership, until proven otherwise) is checking makes CAP just as guilty as the teacher not paying attention to the issues in the classroom.  IF GT is what is keeping him in...GREAT.
Now it time for both him and his Sqdn leadership to have a liiiiitle one on one....again if this is alll true!

CAPTalkers start  flamin his leaders at the Sqdn level

AGAIN RTF thread.... if this is true.

But his is CAPTalk ..where flamin is a readily and daily occurrence

[Hawk200]

Well I Joined CAP December 2007 then my step dad was diagnosed with cancer so I took almost 2 years of absence, I did not return to cap till spring of 09 then had some hard times setbacks grieving other step father's death, and school I have been staying strong in CAP from summer,fall to now.

So you only really have less than a year active in the program. These are details that you need to be straightforward about.

Have you been attempting to progress in the Cadet Program? Trying to get a few more stripes? Showing up to SAREX's without progression may lead to someone mentioning it to your DCC. It could get you removed from any active GT participation. CAPTALK is not a suitable subsitute for program participation.

[Hawk200]

But his is CAPTalk ..where flamin is a readily and daily occurrence

And you're a master of it.

I'm thinking toad now.

[heliodoc]

Thanks Hawk

For that vote of confidence

[Hoorah]

But his is CAPTalk ..where flamin is a readily and daily occurrence

And you're a master of it.

I'm thinking toad now.

Do not try and get me in trouble!

[Eclipse]

Shouldn't you be in school right now?