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Started by Nikos, May 29, 2014, 09:40:36 PM

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PHall

Dr Strangelove also caused a review of Nuclear Weapons procedures. Several major changes to procedures and equipment came about because of this movie and the questions it raised. (i.e. General, could this really happen?...)

Luis R. Ramos

Reggarding Strange, I will give you 1 point for that, and 1 point for the post lauding the dialogue of the bomber crews. In comparison, Fail shows more of a dedication up to the supreme sacrifice expected of SAC crews.

From the crews of the six bombers who for all they knew had been sent on a real, authorized mission. To the American fighter pilots who were ordered to shoot them down, who realized they were going to splash down in the cold Pacific as they were ordered to use their afterburners. The same fighter pilots who as their mission began would also have given it all to protect those bombers had they been on a real mission.

To the crew of the bomber which had to carry the last mission in that film... and to the American Colonel who attempts to take over NORAD, and even the Soviet General who had a heart6 attack as he realized he failed to protect his country... And lastly the American Ambassador who is ordered to stay in Moscow even after it was known that at least one of the American bombers was going to get through.

The only problem with the film? It names the B-52 Hustlers as Vindicators, instead of showing the B-52 or B-47. They could even have used the Hustler's real name and designation...
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Nikos

Mr. Phall, can you suggest any good books on the history of SAC?  I would like to learn more about SAC.

PHall

Quote from: Nikos on June 01, 2014, 07:12:30 PM
Mr. Phall, can you suggest any good books on the history of SAC?  I would like to learn more about SAC.

I have one really good book that I picked up at the Air Force Museum Bookshop, "Peace Was Their Profession, Stategic Air Command, A Tribute" by Mike Hill, John M Campbell and Donna Campbell. Published by Schiffer Publishing Ltd.

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We all know who REALLY ruled the skies...



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Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on May 30, 2014, 12:54:29 PM
Dr Strangelove is not a movie about SAC. It is a satire, a farce. Funny none the less, but not my idea of SAC. My idea of SAC? A Gathering of Eagles and Strategic Air Command.

Wait, what? Strangelove is satire? I thought it was a documentary?
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flyboy53

Was never a fan of Dr. Strangelove.

Have any of you ever seen By Dawn's Early Light? Another great SAC movie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/By_Dawn%27s_Early_Light

And as far as the Traveling Air Circus....well....mm

Nikos

Thanks for the information on the book, I will look for it.  I also have some recent photos of Loring AFB, but I could not figure out how to post them.

AirAux

Jimmy Stewart was my Dad's Squadron Commander while he was in the 453rd Bomb Group, 733rd Bomb Squadron in England out of Ol' Birmingham near Norwich.  Dad loved him and said Jimmy went with them on all of the hard missions.  He would have followed him into hell.  B-24's, around January 1944 through June 1944.  They flew two 6 hour missions on D-Day.  The greatest generation.  God, I miss Dad.     

Offutteer

If we're talking about putting bombs on the target, we should be talking about "WarGames."

"Would you like to play a game?"

"Love to. How about Global Thermonuclear War."

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Quote from: AirAux on June 02, 2014, 04:32:18 PM
Jimmy Stewart was my Dad's Squadron Commander while he was in the 453rd Bomb Group, 733rd Bomb Squadron in England out of Ol' Birmingham near Norwich.  Dad loved him and said Jimmy went with them on all of the hard missions.  He would have followed him into hell.  B-24's, around January 1944 through June 1944.  They flew two 6 hour missions on D-Day.  The greatest generation.  God, I miss Dad.   

Wow.  Your father must have had some stories to tell!

I miss my dad too...4th Armored Division, Erlangen, West Germany, 1957-59...just as things with the Warsaw Pact were getting tense.

He also had two years in the National Guard prior to that.  After getting out of the Guard, he signed up to join the Navy, but while he was waiting to be called to the Navy, he got drafted into the Army.  Go figure.

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Quote from: Offutteer on June 02, 2014, 07:30:18 PM
If we're talking about putting bombs on the target, we should be talking about "WarGames."

"Would you like to play a game?"

"Love to. How about Global Thermonuclear War."

I was at Offutt when that movie came out. The base open house was about a month or so later.
We had a Looking Glass EC-135C set up for static display with the crowds walking through.
One of the Comm guys made a sign for the Computer that in the Battle Staff Compartment.
It said "War Operations Plans and Response  W.O.P.R.". It was removed within an hour by a really upset Public Affairs type.
We all thought it was pretty funny.  Of course aircrew humor can be pretty dark sometimes! :o

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Nikos

Did the SAC tanker crews have ejection seats, or if the engine flamed out, did they ride the tanker down like a glider?

SarDragon

Why would you need ejection seats? The plane is big enough to walk around in, and can fly slow enough to open a door and jump out of.

As for engines flaming out, most tankers have at least three, and can fly to and emergency field with one out. Tankers do not glide well.
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PHall

Quote from: Nikos on June 17, 2014, 10:54:41 PM
Did the SAC tanker crews have ejection seats, or if the engine flamed out, did they ride the tanker down like a glider?

No ejection seats. We had parachutes if we wished to attempt a manual bailout.
And the 135 has the glide ratio of a brick.

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Quote from: PHall on June 18, 2014, 12:39:20 AM
Quote from: Nikos on June 17, 2014, 10:54:41 PM
Did the SAC tanker crews have ejection seats, or if the engine flamed out, did they ride the tanker down like a glider?

No ejection seats. We had parachutes if we wished to attempt a manual bailout.
And the 135 has the glide ratio of a brick.

Never heard of anyone attempting or surviving a bail out of a flying bomb.

B-52s had poor survivability in an ejection, especially if a bottom-firing ejection seat was triggered when close to or still on the ground. Early B-47s were known to be widow makers because the navigator or the weapons system officer never got out.

Even with an ecapsulated ejection system, B-58 survivability was questionable depending on the speed, and FB/EF/F-111 crews suffered sometimes very serious spine problems if the air bladders under the capsule didn't inflate.

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Kind of like the early F-104 Starfighters...they had downward-ejecting seats.

This proved troublesome, to say the least.

During the 1971 war between India and Pakistan, a PakAF 104 pilot, Wing Commander Mervyn Middlecoat, apparently ejected safely over the Gulf of Kutch.  However, this area is known to be shark-infested...so the Wing Commander was never found.
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Nikos

Sounds like those ejection seats gave one heck of a ride!

PHall

Quote from: flyboy1 on June 18, 2014, 10:52:35 AM

Never heard of anyone attempting or surviving a bail out of a flying bomb.


I had heard that a bailout had been performed back in the 70's by a crew from one of the Michigan bases, but I've never confirmed that.

And I had no desire to be the one who removed all of the antennas from the belly of the airplane either.

Besides, the 135 flew just fine on three engines.