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Operations => Emergency Services & Operations => Topic started by: Aquacordion on December 04, 2023, 04:42:46 PM

Title: NESA vs. Lonestar | What's the key difference?
Post by: Aquacordion on December 04, 2023, 04:42:46 PM
Hello! :D 

I'm very interested in Emergency Services and was contemplating either going to Lonestar ES Academy down in Texas, or National ES Academy up in Indiana. I know Lonestar is a NCSA, but what differences are there from Lonestar and the basic ES training offered by NESA?

Thank you.
Title: Re: NESA vs. Lonestar | What's the key difference?
Post by: Eclipse on December 04, 2023, 06:49:25 PM
NESA is the national school that sets the ES standard for CAP as a whole.

Lonestar is something TXWG does.
Title: Re: NESA vs. Lonestar | What's the key difference?
Post by: MSG Mac on December 05, 2023, 03:14:59 AM
Lonestar can train you in the ES Specialties, just like Hawk Mountain does, but both have to go through the various students wings to get the final signoff.
NESA can sign off anybody as the National certifying authority.
Title: Re: NESA vs. Lonestar | What's the key difference?
Post by: Aquacordion on December 05, 2023, 03:39:01 AM
Quote from: MSG Mac on December 05, 2023, 03:14:59 AMLonestar can train you in the ES Specialties, just like Hawk Mountain does, but both have to go through the various students wings to get the final signoff.
NESA can sign off anybody as the National certifying authority.

If I want to do more paramedical/emergency healthcare ES training, should I attend Lonestar then?
Title: Re: NESA vs. Lonestar | What's the key difference?
Post by: Fubar on December 05, 2023, 06:10:20 PM
Quote from: Aquacordion on December 05, 2023, 03:39:01 AMIf I want to do more paramedical/emergency healthcare ES training, should I attend Lonestar then?

The website I found for LESA South (not sure if that's the one you're looking at) says they train based off the CAP task guide. There isn't any advanced level medical training taught for any of our qualifications since CAP is not a first responder organization, isn't licensed/insured to provide medical services, and doesn't have any medical protocols or a medical director.

I wouldn't be surprised if Hawk Mountain in PAWG does that sort of thing, they are known for doing a lot of training that isn't pertinent to CAP. They are also heavy on mountain survival, so expect that aspect to the training. Otherwise you might want to check with your local CERT organization or fire department to see if they provide any kind of training to the public. Some ambulance companies will also take on interns to help provide training that could lead to employment at the ambulance company (or elsewhere).

Good luck!
Title: Re: NESA vs. Lonestar | What's the key difference?
Post by: Aquacordion on December 05, 2023, 07:30:21 PM
Quote from: Fubar on December 05, 2023, 06:10:20 PM
Quote from: Aquacordion on December 05, 2023, 03:39:01 AMIf I want to do more paramedical/emergency healthcare ES training, should I attend Lonestar then?

The website I found for LESA South (not sure if that's the one you're looking at) says they train based off the CAP task guide. There isn't any advanced level medical training taught for any of our qualifications since CAP is not a first responder organization, isn't licensed/insured to provide medical services, and doesn't have any medical protocols or a medical director.

I wouldn't be surprised if Hawk Mountain in PAWG does that sort of thing, they are known for doing a lot of training that isn't pertinent to CAP. They are also heavy on mountain survival, so expect that aspect to the training. Otherwise you might want to check with your local CERT organization or fire department to see if they provide any kind of training to the public. Some ambulance companies will also take on interns to help provide training that could lead to employment at the ambulance company (or elsewhere).

Good luck!

Thank you! This helps a lot in my prospects for my CAP career. Have a great day.  ;D
Title: Re: NESA vs. Lonestar | What's the key difference?
Post by: jeders on December 05, 2023, 09:48:58 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on December 04, 2023, 06:49:25 PMLonestar is something TXWG does.

And not very well in my opinion.

Quote from: Aquacordion on December 05, 2023, 03:39:01 AMIf I want to do more paramedical/emergency healthcare ES training, should I attend Lonestar then?

Then I would recommend MOTS (Medical Orientation Training School) (https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/programs/cadets/activities/national-cadet-special-activities/explore-the-ncsas/medical-orientation-training-school). MOTS will train you on medical specialties and provide actual training that will help you become an EMT. I believe last year all of the graduates completed the requirements necessary to be able to sit for NREMT exam, but don't quote me on that.

Also, you'll never not be able to echo MOTS when you hear MOTS.

ETA:
Title: Re: NESA vs. Lonestar | What's the key difference?
Post by: Aquacordion on December 05, 2023, 10:00:07 PM
Quote from: jeders on December 05, 2023, 09:48:58 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on December 04, 2023, 06:49:25 PMLonestar is something TXWG does.

And not very well in my opinion.

Quote from: Aquacordion on December 05, 2023, 03:39:01 AMIf I want to do more paramedical/emergency healthcare ES training, should I attend Lonestar then?

Then I would recommend MOTS (Medical Orientation Training School) (https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/programs/cadets/activities/national-cadet-special-activities/explore-the-ncsas/medical-orientation-training-school). MOTS will train you on medical specialties and provide actual training that will help you become an EMT. I believe last year all of the graduates completed the requirements necessary to be able to sit for NREMT exam, but don't quote me on that.

Also, you'll never not be able to echo MOTS when you hear MOTS.

ETA:

This sounds great, I'll have to do this over the summer! Sounds a lot better than going to Hawk Mountain for 2 years for the medical training haha.

Thank you. :)