Cadets in college

[68w20]

^ For the same reason you do not mix "adults" and cadets in the same cadres.

Anyone who has completed basic training, or who is in the military on AD is no longer a cadet in the sense that CAP defines
it, they have moved on to a different level of life, experienced much more of the real world, and should not be considered a
a peer to a "normal" CAP cadet.

Would you make the same argument for an over-18 Cadet who's completed their first or second year in an ROTC program?

[Eclipse]

Would you make the same argument for an over-18 Cadet who's completed their first or second year in an ROTC program?

No, and neither does CAP.

[AngelWings]

So why does that rule exsist anyways?

[Garibaldi]

It's called "reading the regs", "following the regs", and "not avoiding uncomfortable conversations".

In this case, you'd be arguing with clear regs as to when a member becomes ineligible for cadet status.
A regulation which is many times misguidedly ignored.

OK...one more.

I am not "avoiding uncomfortable conversations." I am choosing my battles a little more carefully. Or are you saying avoiding uncomfortable conversations in the sense of the conversation between a cc and the cadet?

[arajca]

It's called "reading the regs", "following the regs", and "not avoiding uncomfortable conversations".

In this case, you'd be arguing with clear regs as to when a member becomes ineligible for cadet status.
A regulation which is many times misguidedly ignored.

But the regs make it clear that Guardsmen/Reservists are exempt from the Active Duty rule.

Unless they're on extended active duty, i.e called and sent overseas for six months.

[Eclipse]

Or are you saying avoiding uncomfortable conversations in the sense of the conversation between a cc and the cadet?

Correct. I'd say 1/3 of CAP's issues locally are fully-aware commanders who choose to ignore issues they are required to act on because
the conversation would be "uncomfortable" - whether that's uniforms worn inappropriately, cadets on active duty who are allowed to remain
cadets, or any of the other myriad issues which are seemingly clearly prescribed yet we can't seem to get past.

Those local problems are then exported to larger-scale activities, ES, etc. 

[68w20]

It's called "reading the regs", "following the regs", and "not avoiding uncomfortable conversations".

In this case, you'd be arguing with clear regs as to when a member becomes ineligible for cadet status.
A regulation which is many times misguidedly ignored.

But the regs make it clear that Guardsmen/Reservists are exempt from the Active Duty rule.

Unless they're on extended active duty, i.e called and sent overseas for six months.

You're absolutely correct; however Guardsmen/Reservists who have only completed IET are still exempt from the rule.

[Майор Хаткевич]

Right. At issue here is a cadet who is in the guard claiming to be active military and being aware of many others like him.

As I said earlier, either he is misusing his status and calling it active duty, or he should not be a cadet. Clear cut, and we have regulations that outline this.

[cadetesman]

Why anyone in the military would want to be a cadet befuddles me...

I mean, you're in the actual military, why would you want to be in CAP as a cadet, I mean, really...

[Extremepredjudice]

Why anyone in the military would want to be a cadet befuddles me...

I mean, you're in the actual military, why would you want to be in CAP as a cadet, I mean, really...

'Cause being a cadet is a lot of fun.

[Eclipse]

I mean, you're in the actual military, why would you want to be in CAP as a cadet, I mean, really...

There are a number of opportunities and benefits that CAP affords to its cadets, especially older ones, that you would not get by simply "being in the military".

That's why cadet status is a privilege.

[Rodriguez]

That cites AD military, but reserve/guard components aren't bothered by that. Cadets can be concurrent Reserve/Guard military members and CAP cadets at once.

Which I think is what most of you knew I meant. If i wanted to put active duty, which I currently am not, then I would have. But being in an active Guard or Reserve unit still qualifies you as a member of the "active military" your just not on active duty.

[Equinox]

I don't think the regs are for the safety of cadets, I think we have them to avoid awkwardness.

Anyways, though, anyone hear about the married 20 year old cadet airman who's a corporal in the Army? I think he graduated from his basic encampment this year.

Now wasn't that awkward?   

[MSG Mac]

Marriage automatically removes you from the cadet program.

[Ned]

Usually, but not always.

[RADIOMAN015]

I see absolutely NO advantage to CAP at the local squadron level to allow cadets who reach the age of 18 years old to remain in the cadet program.   I think it leads to other issues.    CAP is primarily a 12 to 16/17 year old program, with maybe a few staying longer.   I've noted that ALL of our cadets that have gone to college are NOT involved in the CAP program anymore.  They may be involved in ROTC and that is the correct passage in my opinion from CAP cadet status.
RM

[a2capt]

This guy is really a whackjob in disquise.

[68w20]

I see absolutely NO advantage to CAP at the local squadron level to allow cadets who reach the age of 18 years old to remain in the cadet program.   I think it leads to other issues. 

Like what?  To what issues are you specifically referring?

  CAP is primarily a 12 to 16/17 year old program, with maybe a few staying longer.   

To quote EP, please cite this.  There's plenty of data available on this topic, so I don't think it's unreasonable to ask you to substantiate this claim.

I've noted that ALL of our cadets that have gone to college are NOT involved in the CAP program anymore.  They may be involved in ROTC and that is the correct passage in my opinion from CAP cadet status.
RM

Not every Cadet goes through ROTC.  Not every Cadet has gotten the most out of CAP by the time they reach the age of 18.  After turning 17 (the age which you cite as being the time when most Cadets should leave), I participated in NESA, RCLS, COS, IACE, NBB Staff and numerous Encampments (in 3 states) as staff.  Do you genuinely believe that I had nothing to gain/offer in all of those circumstances simply based on my age?

[spaatzmom]

I see absolutely NO advantage to CAP at the local squadron level to allow cadets who reach the age of 18 years old to remain in the cadet program.   I think it leads to other issues. 

Like what?  To what issues are you specifically referring?

  CAP is primarily a 12 to 16/17 year old program, with maybe a few staying longer.   

To quote EP, please cite this.  There's plenty of data available on this topic, so I don't think it's unreasonable to ask you to substantiate this claim.

I've noted that ALL of our cadets that have gone to college are NOT involved in the CAP program anymore.  They may be involved in ROTC and that is the correct passage in my opinion from CAP cadet status.
RM

Not every Cadet goes through ROTC.  Not every Cadet has gotten the most out of CAP by the time they reach the age of 18.  After turning 17 (the age which you cite as being the time when most Cadets should leave), I participated in NESA, RCLS, COS, IACE, NBB Staff and numerous Encampments (in 3 states) as staff.  Do you genuinely believe that I had nothing to gain/offer in all of those circumstances simply based on my age?

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