I think it's about time us CAPers decided on a battle cry. I've heatd both Hooah and Hoorah in my squadron, but those are Army and Marine Corps battle cries, respectively. I think Hooyah would be more apt. Despite its Navy usage, especially among SEALs, Battlefield airmen (Pararescue Jumpers, Combat Controllers, etc.) do use Hooyah. However I've never heard Hooyah used by any CAP member. Thoughts?
Marines say Oorah. Being that I was formerly a member of your squadron... I think Hoorah is goofy. I was in the Hooah camp when I was Deputy Commander for Cadets... And for love of all that is scared, don't use HUA.
Edit: I should note that I'm not a fan yelling HOOAH! in formation, but as more of a simple acknowledgment. Hooah?
Sports Center on ESPN uses Booyah
In the mid 90's when I went through AF BMT, they made us yell "Hooyah Air Force!" anytime we finished an obstacle on the confidence course.
Respectably,
As a CAP cadet I prefer to say 'none of the above'.
+1 on Daniel, as not a cadet.
Interesting. I thought that it just varied from one base to another among the branches. I always heard HOORAH from the Army troops. Maybe we should borrow from Bill Murray's "Stripes" and just yell "That's the Fact, Jack!"
Quote from: Daniel L on February 16, 2011, 03:21:52 AM
Respectably,
As a CAP cadet I prefer to say 'none of the above'.
Quote from: SarDragon on February 16, 2011, 03:26:59 AM
+1 on Daniel, as not a cadet.
I freely admit it can tend to be over-blown in CAP.
Why anything?
Quote from: arBar on February 16, 2011, 03:33:48 AM
Maybe we should borrow from Bill Murray's "Stripes" and just yell "That's the Fact, Jack!"
I always liked the "Blues Brothers" SWAT Team cry:
"Hut hut hut hut hut hut hut hut...."
Absolute waste of time.
Hoorah = marine core
Hooyah = Navy Seals (No joke I googled it)
Hooah= army
HUA is considered the Airforce thing (even though its also used by the army), although notably it seems like United States Air Force Combat Controllers, Pararescue Jumpers, Tactical Air Control Party liked hooyah and used that.
I don't know, call me a square but war cries take away from professionalism...
I would consider it maybe, maybe, maybe, at encampment as an espirit de corps thing.
(maybe)
how about
CAP ATTACK!!!!!
>:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D
AIR POWER
Death by Powerpoint!!!
Nothing please, and i have reason behind it...
Cadet Ssgt reported in for the NCSA review board, and responded to almost every question with a version of HUA.....
Please just stop the madness...
When i was a cadet, i did not want any part of a "war cry", and as a CP SM, i refuse to allow it around my cadets.
Quote from: davidsinn on February 16, 2011, 04:59:51 AM
Death by Powerpoint!!!
>:D Perhaps 'Death by Safety Briefing!' is most apt for CAP. Double points if said briefing is delivered via a powerpoint with excessive animation.
I've always encouraged the use of hooah, but as a 'war cry' type deal, not the all-purpose form of acknowledgment that it tends to get used as. That, I find annoying...
And it is spelled h-o-o-a-h, not 'HUA'. It's not an acronym. Stop it. Please.
Quote from: Daniel L on February 16, 2011, 04:04:05 AM
Hoorah = marine core
How about Marine Corps, there, fella.
"Per Diem!"
Quote from: DC on February 16, 2011, 05:14:30 AM
Quote from: davidsinn on February 16, 2011, 04:59:51 AM
Death by Powerpoint!!!
>:D Perhaps 'Death by Safety Briefing!' is most apt for CAP. Double points if said briefing is delivered via a powerpoint with excessive animation.
+1 ::)
How about the battle cry of the Knights of the Round Table in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail":
RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY!
If CAP does indeed need a battle cry, my vote goes to "No more silly mandates on useless reports, safety briefings and endless administrivia".
However, that doesn't really roll off the tongue of a cadet coming off the obstacle course team-building exercise.
Quote from: tsrup on February 16, 2011, 06:17:03 AM
"Per Diem!"
Closely followed by "Where's the doughnuts?".
Quote from: Daniel L on February 16, 2011, 04:04:05 AM
Hoorah = marine core
Hooyah = Navy Seals (No joke I googled it)
Hooah= army
HUA is considered the Airforce thing (even though its also used by the army), although notably it seems like United States Air Force Combat Controllers, Pararescue Jumpers, Tactical Air Control Party liked hooyah and used that.
I don't know, call me a square but war cries take away from professionalism...
I would consider it maybe, maybe, maybe, at encampment as an espirit de corps thing.
(maybe)
Its Marine Corps. Not "core". And its SEAL, not Seal. Its an acronym, not a name. And no, we dont need any battle cries. They only take away the professionalism when organizations with no need for them try to adopt them for no reason other than to have one.
Having spent 8 years in the Infantry, they have a purpose there. Quite honestly, the way the grunts and combat arms Marines barked "Hooorah" and the way a Data Entry Specialist working over at HQ "said" Hoorah were completely different. The Marine Corps takes theirs very seriously and its engrained into Marine Corps history. Ive known some Marines that could send chills up your spine when they did it.
CAP, no need for it.
By the way, HUA = Head Up A--
Judging from the content of many CAPTalk threads, including some I've participated in, I submit that "WAAAAAAHHHHH!" would be our most appropriate battle cry. Since that is clearly a non-starter perhaps we should simply avoid having one at all.
>:D
Quote from: titanII on February 16, 2011, 02:46:54 AMI think it's about time us CAPers decided on a battle cry. I've heatd both Hooah and Hoorah in my squadron, but those are Army and Marine Corps battle cries, respectively. I think Hooyah would be more apt. Despite its Navy usage, especially among SEALs, Battlefield airmen (Pararescue Jumpers, Combat Controllers, etc.) do use Hooyah. However I've never heard Hooyah used by any CAP member. Thoughts?
A non combatant organization does not need a "battle cry." And "hooah" isn't really a "battle cry." In the Army, it's pretty much used as a form of agreement or motivation, not as any cry to impending battle.
We don't have any need to officially adopt the saying. It's not used formally in any branch of service, any attempt at adopting it in CAP would give the impression of "wannabeism." (As in not, but wants to look like it.)
I've heard "hooah" used on occasion in CAP, but not as anything formal. " I've never heard "hooyah", which reminds of the word "hooey" a little too much, used in CAP to my recollection. "Oorah" occasionally, but usually by people either associated with the Marines, or wannabe Marines (not intended as an insult in this context, someone who intends to to enlist in the Marines, wants to be in the Marines.)
We don't need to focus on emulating PJs, CCTs, or SEALs. And PJs and CCTs aren't the only battlefield airmen.
Lets say........prop spins..........Mission for America not!!!!!!!
We dont need one
I love yelling HOOAH at the top of my lungs during PT when I'm close to the end of the run. I also say it has a way of motivating other cadets, or atleast a way to wake them up ;) .
I think we need a few more "SILENT PROFESSIONALS". :-X :-X
How about "Safety! Safety! Kill! Kill! Kill!" >:D
Perhaps I should re-word my un-expectedly controversial question: of the three (Hooyah, Hooah, and Hoorah), which do you think would be most apt for use in the Civil Air Patrol? Which, if any, do you use?
Quote from: Daniel L on February 16, 2011, 03:21:52 AM
Respectably,
As a CAP cadet I prefer to say 'none of the above'.
Pretty much says it all.
Quote from: titanII on February 21, 2011, 06:51:50 PM
Perhaps I should re-word my un-expectedly controversial question: of the three (Hooyah, Hooah, and Hoorah), which do you think would be most apt for use in the Civil Air Patrol? Which, if any, do you use?
None of the above. We don't use them, they're silly.
Quote from: titanII on February 21, 2011, 06:51:50 PMPerhaps I should re-word my un-expectedly controversial question: of the three (Hooyah, Hooah, and Hoorah), which do you think would be most apt for use in the Civil Air Patrol? Which, if any, do you use?
It's not controversial, there is just little purpose to the concept and the thesis. It's useless minutia. What purpose does it serve to "adopt" one of the terms? What benefit is there?
As for being "apt", none of them really. It's one thing to use it, it's another thing to "formally adopt" it.
I use "hooah" occasionally because I'm currently Army. Don't use it around cadets much, but most of them know what it means. CAP needs to continue it's own identity, not try to adopt others.
I know you want to look hardcore, but just spewing military terms isn't gonna do it.
Quote from: PA Guy on February 21, 2011, 07:06:55 PM
Quote from: titanII on February 21, 2011, 06:51:50 PM
Perhaps I should re-word my un-expectedly controversial question: of the three (Hooyah, Hooah, and Hoorah), which do you think would be most apt for use in the Civil Air Patrol? Which, if any, do you use?
None of the above. We don't use them, they're silly.
Even the Air Force doesn't use them, for the above reason.
Old habits die hard. I am still stuck on hooah, the short Army style, that is about half a syllable. More like hoo. They are just short little sounds that all mean the same thing, will do, or got it. I actually prefer it to the other comment that you hear rather often of roger, which can come off rather sarcastic, or even be meant really sarcastically.
The long and short of it, use what you want to use, so long as it doesn't end up making things worse for you.
To put my feeling politically, it is not strictly forbidden. However, at the squadrons discrection, it can be frowned upon, or be used commonly.
I personally feel that it is a speech habit, not a good or bad one, it exsist neutrally. There are speech habits that people have to break (I fall into this category), but this clearly isn't one of them.
These alleged "War Cries" are fairly new. When I joined the USMC in 1968 there was no such thing. When I joined the Army Reserve there was also no Hooah, until I was activated in 1997, when I had to remind the active duty troops I never took money for my carnal pleasures and was not a whore. As for being a "War Cry" I have found in three wars that the enemy generally shoots at the person and/or things that stand out and make a lot of noise.
I've heard some variation of that noise made at least on three separate occasions today here at CAWG competition. I can't remember which one. As a cadet I used to use different versions to mean different things.
Hoot Rah! - An exclamation meaning I or we had done something really special and exciting
Hua - More like a grunt meaning that I was almost making fun of needing to say yes to something
Hoorah - We're going to go do something macho together.
Hooah - The lighter version of the previous one without the "r"
I generally use the last one when teaching swing dancing and I want to get the group's buy-in that we're going to do something that they find a bit intimidating. It's mostly a joke in that setting to get them to buy in to trying it and typically someone asks if I was in the military.
I do occasionally still say "hoot rah" rather quietly to myself while skiing when I proceed to do something where I could potentially kill myself. I'm fairly certain that when I was a tad bit more immortal at the age of 17 or 18 I would do something similar, sometimes a bit louder.
If you're not laughing at this point, you are seriously misreading this post and I suggest you start over and imagine me laughing so hard I'm actually crying while typing this. Perhaps that's related to my "I work evenings" sleep schedule combined with needing to transport cadets to breakfast at 7am this (yesterday) morning. Fortunately, we have extra seniors on hand and I have opted out of that duty tomorrow in favor of being safe to drive home.
Personally I like "Oorah". not sure why because I have not really had much direct contact with any of the military branches, but it just sounds smoother. My Squadron Commander likes HUA. As for it not being an acronym, the way I learned it, it stands for "Heard, Understood, Accomplished".
Quote from: MSG Mac on February 21, 2011, 09:02:52 PM
These alleged "War Cries" are fairly new. When I joined the USMC in 1968 there was no such thing. When I joined the Army Reserve there was also no Hooah, until I was activated in 1997, when I had to remind the active duty troops I never took money for my carnal pleasures and was not a whore. As for being a "War Cry" I have found in three wars that the enemy generally shoots at the person and/or things that stand out and make a lot of noise.
Huh....interesting. I stood on the yellow footprints in 1993 and it was alive and well obviously. I wonder when it started?? I was always led to believe (or chose to believe ;D) that is was a WWI thing. I must research.
Take it for what its worth....
http://www.oo-rah.com/store/editorial/edi55.asp
Here's one,
In WWI, a commander ordered their US troops to retreat, the troups said, "how? We just got here!" So yell "retreat" and respond "how".
:P any one who saw the movie battle: la knows what I'm talking about.
fyi, it wasn't "how" that they were saying...
At Colonial Williamsburg the population yells the arcane "hazzah" in agreement of colonial issues. Perhaps this ancient yells is somehow its origin?
In Sicily, the natives make a similar sound kind of like "Booo-up" with a very soft "B" and many Americans stationed there have picked it up and shortened it to "Boop" it comes with a shrug of the shoulders and means "I don't know" and/or "I don't care" ...
Boop.
Well, Way Back When I Was A Cadet, there was no such noise-making.
"Hooah" was not universally embraced by the Army when it (apparently) migrated from the Ranger community to the mainstream Army (quite possibly by way of becoming an embarassingly required and expected display of "motivation" at ROTC camps in the 1980's.
Certain career NCOs looked startled upon first hearing a platoon of cadets "hooah-ing" in response to every sentence out of an instructor's mouth, and then these long-suffering NCO's shook their heads sadly and started mumbling about "Time to retireme, if the Army is so stupid it must train future officers to grunt like idiots!" However, the cadets kept grunting "Hooah!", ever louder and more frequently, because it was perceived that one's TAC officer took especial note of one's observance or disdain for the cult of "hooah", and might make some record in his little notebook. Indeed, some even held the view that there were certain chuckleheaded cadets who rose to startling prominence in camp class standings based upon little more than "Hooah".
Today's Army embarrasses itself not so much excessive "hooahs" as with (get this!) little yips, caterwauls, and simulated dog barking from the ranks of troop formations! In Basic and AIT, no less! Also, there is some sort varient of "hooah" that sounds like a sort of yawn or vomiting by 200 voices in unison kind of a "uuuuuuuuurrrrpp!" You would not believe this until you actually hear it. Unbelievably assinine, but true.
In the 506th it turned into a joke whenever it could. Hooah would turn to hoo to hu to hoop to hoolp to eventually becoming scoobs, I don't even know how it got to scoobs. Something that, yes is stupid, and unnecessary, but sadly, when something is shoved down your throat soooooo much it becomes ingrained into your whole life. I even catch myself answering my wife with a hooah, just the short quiet grunt, not the loud idiotic HOOOOAAAAHHH. Even my father and brother (we were all in the Army at the same time) are able to communicate with me using simple grunting noises. Still, not needed in the sense of making one or the other noise a standard. IF... and that's a big IF it is already ingrained in your brain, then just use whatcha got. Otherwise, use real words.
I hooah that, Manfred!
Actually, I embarassed myself once...I had recently come from a "hooah"-heavy environment, and found myself in a public place, speaking with a nice lady who had some questions about the military. I guess I slipped into "hooah" mode....until she very gently and politely inquired if I had a speech impediment or some sort of neurological damage! It kinda put "hooah" into perspective for me.. lol
Quote from: AbnMedOps on March 23, 2011, 03:29:30 AM
I hooah that, Manfred!
Actually, I embarassed myself once...I had recently come from a "hooah"-heavy environment, and found myself in a public place, speaking with a nice lady who had some questions about the military. I guess I slipped into "hooah" mode....until she very gently and politely inquired if I had a speech impediment or some sort of neurological damage! It kinda put "hooah" into perspective for me.. lol
So which is it, speech impediment or neurological damage? For me it was a lobotomy by an Army Doc.
Quote from: tsrup on March 22, 2011, 05:52:05 AM
fyi, it wasn't "how" that they were saying...
Then what was it then hmmmm?
Quote from: ElectricPenguin on March 23, 2011, 03:56:01 AM
Quote from: tsrup on March 22, 2011, 05:52:05 AM
fyi, it wasn't "how" that they were saying...
Then what was it then hmmmm?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2nd_Battalion_5th_Marines
Why do we need one? We already scare the people who walk into the airport we march at, and I don't really thing shouting alot makes any mare sense. the point of a battle cry is BATTLE cry and trying to scare the enemy (i.e. karate's hiyaah!)......... maybe people are making too much out of it, Hmmmm?
How about "Allrighty Then"?
Quote from: Skydude61 on May 19, 2011, 08:29:11 PM
Why do we need one? We already scare the people who walk into the airport we march at, and I don't really thing shouting alot makes any mare sense. the point of a battle cry is BATTLE cry and trying to scare the enemy (i.e. karate's hiyaah!)......... maybe people are making too much out of it, Hmmmm?
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTttQbxAKzPj1cZoG8jzJW7GYP80qZ_-PEdmqIQD0hHSmwAmav-&t=1)
May I suggest, "Boom shaka laka boom"?
Love the above graphic :)
I have also noticed at State Guard meetings, when people from other places come visit, that some use the war cry like an Amen is used in some churches. Equivelent to,"yeah, preach it, come on, yesssss," etc.
"Yay-Yuh!"
for the SEALs, therre is some speculation that "hooyah" came as a backward form of "yahoo".
Quote from: pilot2b on June 05, 2011, 01:08:46 AM
for the SEALs, therre is some speculation that "hooyah" came as a backward form of "yahoo".
Yahoo....Oohay, Hayoo, Yooha, Yahoo. I'm lost.
Whoya cares?
None of these is part of CAP's culture, and those that try to use it (usually cadets), just wind up sounding like posers.
"Yes, Sir", or "Yes" will work just fine.
Quote from: Eclipse on June 05, 2011, 08:07:54 PM
Whoya cares?
None of these is part of CAP's culture, and those that try to use it (usually cadets), just wind up sounding like posers.
"Yes, Sir", or "Yes" will work just fine.
I think it arises from Encampment jodies/etc, movies and more movies.
I've only usually seen it done at encampment.
Quote from: HGjunkie on June 05, 2011, 08:21:25 PM
I've only usually seen it done at encampment.
Nothing wrong with motivational yells/chants/jodies at encampment between flights. The problem comes when it comes back to the unit, usually led by C/NCOs to be "more like the military". Nothing in the Cadet Program learning material instruct on this subject, therefore it's simply not part of our program.
Quote from: USAFaux2004 on June 05, 2011, 08:28:12 PM
Quote from: HGjunkie on June 05, 2011, 08:21:25 PM
I've only usually seen it done at encampment.
Nothing wrong with motivational yells/chants/jodies at encampment between flights. The problem comes when it comes back to the unit, usually led by C/NCOs to be "more like the military". Nothing in the Cadet Program learning material instruct on this subject, therefore it's simply not part of our program.
I don't see any problem with it at the squadron level, as long as it doesn't get out of hand. A hearty "HOOAH!" was usually given in lieu of clapping at my old squadron when a cadet was presented with an award or otherwise recognized. Only when outside, obviously.
We did not use it as a general purpose response to questions or anything goofy like that though. That's too much IMO.
Hooyah, Hooah, Hoorah, Hoocares? ;D
At my unit we say hooah.
Quote from: CamoMan on June 05, 2011, 10:21:01 PM
At my unit we say hooah.
So how do you like the Army?
Quote from: cap235629 on June 05, 2011, 11:35:40 PM
Quote from: CamoMan on June 05, 2011, 10:21:01 PM
At my unit we say hooah.
So how do you like the Army?
I personally don't go for the army I like the USMC. But the Cadet Commander wants to be army so that's what she picked.
HOO-cares?
'HOOAH' (and other chants of that ilk) just grates on me, because it's constantly misused as 'motivational punctuation'. Same goes with 'Out-STANDING, SIR!'
Just my opinion, which counts for very little. And taxes took away most of it!
Just for kicks- I prefer "Hoorah" but pronounce it like "Oohrah."
And I just heard this at staff selection- "Just peachy, Sir!"
Quote from: CamoMan on June 05, 2011, 11:46:40 PM
Quote from: cap235629 on June 05, 2011, 11:35:40 PM
Quote from: CamoMan on June 05, 2011, 10:21:01 PM
At my unit we say hooah.
So how do you like the Army?
I personally don't go for the army I like the USMC. But the Cadet Commander wants to be army so that's what she picked.
You missed the point entirely.
Actually, he answered the question. The C/CC chose "Hooah", and she wants to go Army.
Quote from: USAFaux2004 on June 06, 2011, 12:34:03 AM
Actually, he answered the question. The C/CC chose "Hooah", and she wants to go Army.
We there will be plenty of time for that nonsense when she gets there. For now we are all in CAP and it is irrelevant.
Quote from: cap235629 on June 06, 2011, 12:53:03 AM
Quote from: USAFaux2004 on June 06, 2011, 12:34:03 AM
Actually, he answered the question. The C/CC chose "Hooah", and she wants to go Army.
We there will be plenty of time for that nonsense when she gets there. For now we are all in CAP and it is irrelevant.
I agree. Just saying that while the cadet missed the "bigger" point, he did answer the question to the best of his ability (and control at the home unit).
I do not see why it is a problem. Oh well it isn't professional, it is fun to yell. It is better than "AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH".
Quote from: Littleguy on June 06, 2011, 02:05:34 AM
I do not see why it is a problem. Oh well it isn't professional, it is fun to yell. It is better than "AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH".
Worked for millions of soldiers over thousands of years.
Quote from: USAFaux2004 on June 06, 2011, 02:17:14 AM
Quote from: Littleguy on June 06, 2011, 02:05:34 AM
I do not see why it is a problem. Oh well it isn't professional, it is fun to yell. It is better than "AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH".
Worked for millions of soldiers over thousands of years.
I was going for an "OH MY GOD, WE ARE GOING TO CRASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" type, not a blood curdling scream.
Oh god, RUN AWAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
^^^^The Monty Python School of Drill and Ceremony, Ltd. ;D
None of the three are used very often at my squadron (or at any activity I've been to). However, during calisthenics at my squadron meetings, we use hoorah from time to time. I think in some of those instances it can be appropriate as a motivational team-building tool.
Our cadets are using Hooah. I never heard any battle cries during my time in the AF or ANG (85-97). I first heard the hooah when with a group of Army National Guard soldiers. I didn't think it sounded very professional. I asked a recent grad from BMT and he said they are using a variation there. I am considering telling my cadets to knock it off unless they can convince me it has some value.
I woud agree that it may be appropriate in an encampment or similar competative environment.
Quote from: NewDCC on June 13, 2011, 01:17:03 AM
Our cadets are using Hooah. I never heard any battle cries during my time in the AF or ANG (85-97). I first heard the hooah when with a group of Army National Guard soldiers. I didn't think it sounded very professional. I asked a recent grad from BMT and he said they are using a variation there. I am considering telling my cadets to knock it off unless they can convince me it has some value.
I woud agree that it may be appropriate in an encampment or similar competative environment.
I don't know that it does any HARM. I say just leave them be.
I think it really doesn't matter which one you use. I have an explanation behind this. At the Ohio Wing Cadet Competition we were doing the mile run around the Horseshoe( which is the state football field) and I'm running next to another cadet in my squadron. We were just running trying to motivate each other. Then we stopped saying stuff and he randomly yells "HOORAH" literally at the top of his lungs, and he takes off like there was no tomorrow and he beat my time by 15 seconds (which is a lot for running). So, my theory is that no matter which one you use it can still motivate someone.