May NEC meeting webstream

RiverAux · May 02, 2009, 12:42:09 PM

The May meeting of the NEC is today. Here is a link to the agenda:
http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/NEC_2009_May_agenda_1B7100325199A.pdf

It will be streamed on CAPChannel starting at 8:30 MDT:

The only item of consequence seems to be Item 3: A REQUIRED monthly ONLINE safety briefing and quiz that everyone will have to complete.

While the number is shrinking, we've still got a fair percentage of folks without computers or internet and while you can get them through online requirements with special efforts, having to do it every month will not be feasible.

Not even sure why they're bothering to have the meeting with so few things to talk about. Might be something interesting in the briefings though.

Big_Ed · May 02, 2009, 01:02:25 PM

Item 3 -

I could see unit commanders and/or safety officers doing this. Rank & file might have difficulty with this one.

My $ .02

RiverAux · May 02, 2009, 02:34:11 PM

First thing I notice is the almost universal wear of the CSU rather than the AF style. Did see one member in the AF-style who really should make the switch.

Did a change of command for PCR. Wonder if it was the PCR flag that they used and who took it through airport security.

Spike · May 02, 2009, 02:51:00 PM

Gen Courter is also wearing something on her lapel. It looks like a tri-prop.

RiverAux · May 02, 2009, 02:58:22 PM

Rowland remarks:
Membership up 1%
34498 adult
22314 cadet

537K in aircraft damage costs so far this fy
Accident rate/100,000 hours: FY07: 3.87 FY08: 2.84

Bodily injury accidents doubled

ARCHER trianing up 300%. Except to have 6 training sesions this year.

FlyingTerp · May 02, 2009, 03:12:02 PM

Quote from: Spike on May 02, 2009, 02:51:00 PM
Gen Courter is also wearing something on her lapel. It looks like a tri-prop.

This is what she is wearing: http://www.vanguardmil.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6_1969&products_id=14313

Saw them last week at the MER Conference.

AlphaSigOU · May 02, 2009, 03:21:01 PM

Quote from: RiverAux on May 02, 2009, 02:34:11 PM
First thing I notice is the almost universal wear of the CSU rather than the AF style. Did see one member in the AF-style who really should make the switch.

Did a change of command for PCR. Wonder if it was the PCR flag that they used and who took it through airport security.

Gen Chitwood's wearing AF-style, while Gen Courter is wearing blazer combo.

RiverAux · May 02, 2009, 03:38:36 PM

CAP-USAF moving to the same part of AETC as ROTC is in.

AlphaSigOU · May 02, 2009, 03:40:15 PM

On schmooze break til 10:15 MDT.

Cecil DP · May 02, 2009, 03:42:27 PM

Quote from: RiverAux on May 02, 2009, 12:42:09 PM
The May meeting of the NEC is today. Here is a link to the agenda:
http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/NEC_2009_May_agenda_1B7100325199A.pdf ...

Not even sure why they're bothering to have the meeting with so few things to talk about. Might be something interesting in the briefings though.

Officially, because it's mandated by the Constitution and By-Laws. The NEC is where the dirty jobs are done. The National Board is where tthe cosmetic things are done.

RiverAux · May 02, 2009, 04:26:38 PM

Agenda Item 2: referred back to the committee that originated it. 4/7 members of the committee hadn't bothered to participate. Lot of interest in safety there.

RiverAux · May 02, 2009, 04:55:59 PM

Agenda Item 3 -- apparently was being pushed by CAP-USAF since he was the one who presented it even though it was under MG Courter's sponsorship.

Col. Skiba (OPS): Predicted severe impact on members. Recommends quarterly rather than monthly. Recommends focus it towards those involved in operations with increased risks rather than low-risk people.

Support Section concerns: 1. "Major and disastorous impact" on nonoperational members (AE, spousal members, for example). Could be 5-10K members. 2. Very dependent on local units keeping track and won't be easy. 3. Flights and Small Squadrons might need more tools to allow them to give meaningful presentations.

Col. Charles: Says everyone needs to participate in safety program not just operational folks.

Col. Jensen: Maybe do online quiz for each Safety Sentinel.

Maj. Hamm CAPUSAF Safety Officer: Disagrees that there would be a severe impact and that program should address everyone. Says there will be a huge database of prepared presentations available.

Amendment approved to say that if don't do briefing would have to review them before participating in next month.

Col. Vasquez. Thinks may be biting off too much at once.

Sent to a committee for further review and to bring up at Summer Board but to have draft ready for comment by 1 July. Courter wanted to do it right now.

RiverAux · May 02, 2009, 05:09:47 PM

I've got to say that the CAP-USAF folks were being just a little too googly-eyed about "taking the next step" in developing a safety culture. I'm not sure that this particular proposal is a bridge to far, but they seem a little too unrealistic about working with volunteers. For one thing they offered absolutely no evidence that this step would make any significant difference to what we have now.

We have to be really careful about adding mandatory things and we should only do so when we know they will make a difference.

Whats next? Well, if a monthly online briefing is good, wouldn't a weekly required online briefing be even better?

cnitas · May 02, 2009, 05:10:15 PM

Why no mention of the impact on cadet programs to require these online safety briefings?

RiverAux · May 02, 2009, 05:20:52 PM

Very surprised that no one mentioned limited internet access either.

Putting this sort of mandatory requirement on cadets would also be something challenging as you suggest.

PA Guy · May 02, 2009, 05:30:03 PM

Quote from: cnitas on May 02, 2009, 05:10:15 PM
Why no mention of the impact on cadet programs to require these online safety briefings?

That's a rhetorical question, right?

Just another example of the NEC's attitude that cadets are just the Kiddie Korps. If it doesn't have a prop attached to it, it can't possibly be that important.

RADIOMAN015 · May 02, 2009, 05:32:14 PM

Interesting the camera can't seem to point at any of the financial slides. Isn't a staff member suppose to be pointing the camera

So much for tranparency

RM

RiverAux · May 02, 2009, 05:35:16 PM

Looking at making Wings put their accounts in more secure banks. Said that one wing had a CD in a bank that failed already.

Spike · May 02, 2009, 05:40:35 PM

Using a commercial system to evaluate banks and give ratings. This whole issue is stupid.

RADIOMAN015 · May 02, 2009, 05:51:34 PM

Financial Travel Reimbursement -- Wouldn't it make sense to determine the location board based upon the least expensive travel costs overall to the corporation, rather than restrict reimbursement to wings that get state funding?

Also wouldn't it be possible to run a meeting via video conference with current software to possibly even avoid the travel?
RM