Quote from: Thrash on February 13, 2011, 01:47:58 PM
The BBDU is a field uniform.  Who would wear shined dress shoes in the field?  If someone showed up for a SAR in shined military low quarters, I would not let them in the woods. Black tennis shoes are fine.  It is not a USAF style uniform.  The regulation about shining shoes refers only to the type of shoes that can be shined.  If you look under the BDU in the reg, it says combat boots.  If you look under BBDU, is says any black shoe. The USAF style uniform section talks about shining shoes, but the CAP distinctive section does not. Use common sense.

For that matter, you can wear combat boots with AF blues.   Where's the common sense in that?

The pants hemmed at the right spot/angle, and polished boots, you can hardly see it.

When the sides of ones corframs blow out, after only a couple years of meetings that mostly BDUs anyway, in other words, about 50 times if you include SLS, and other classes/activities.  Why spend more money? Aside from the different style toe, you can't tell in passing. With the variety of shoe cuts available, it could just be another design...

Quote from: Thrash on February 13, 2011, 01:33:20 PM
I've live near Hawk and have gone there for training. They wear the chain and whistle. They also wear crushed hats, white shoelaces, etc. They do their own thing there and members bring back the uniform violations to the squadron level. I'm not sure why Hawk is allowed to ignore the uniform regs?

You're not alone. Many of us wonder. The tabs are questionable as to their legality outside of Hawk. Personally, I wouldn't be annoyed with someone in a local unit wearing tabs and the patch. I just don't think it's that bad. Should be clarified though.

What I do find annoying is someone showing up with their tabs, their patch, their scarf, their hat, their pistol belt, their special laces, and their secret words and handshakes. You can take it too far. Tabs and patch says "I went to Hawk, and managed to complete it satisfactorily." Everything else added says "I went to Hawk! Look at me!"

Quote from: JoeTomasone on February 13, 2011, 04:42:55 PM

Quote from: Thrash on February 13, 2011, 01:47:58 PM
The BBDU is a field uniform.  Who would wear shined dress shoes in the field?  If someone showed up for a SAR in shined military low quarters, I would not let them in the woods. Black tennis shoes are fine.  It is not a USAF style uniform.  The regulation about shining shoes refers only to the type of shoes that can be shined.  If you look under the BDU in the reg, it says combat boots.  If you look under BBDU, is says any black shoe. The USAF style uniform section talks about shining shoes, but the CAP distinctive section does not. Use common sense.

For that matter, you can wear combat boots with AF blues.   Where's the common sense in that?

Alternate footwear choice, that's about it. I generally avoid wear of low quarters, they can be painful at times. Combat boots are allowed, but I go with a set of plain black ropers. Comfortable, shine well, and most of the time, people don't even notice that I'm wearing them, unless they take the time to look, and notice that I don't have shoelaces. By pub, they're considered dress boots.

Quote from: Thrash on February 13, 2011, 01:47:58 PMThe BBDU is a field uniform.  Who would wear shined dress shoes in the field?  If someone showed up for a SAR in shined military low quarters, I would not let them in the woods. Black tennis shoes are fine. 

Agreed. The low quarter may be acceptable per the manual, but going in the field without boots just seems like bad juju waiting to happen.

This "chain" sound to me like a whistle chain. If so it is a traditonal device worn on "class A" police uniforms. Back in the day of foot patrols, before radios, the chain was attached to the button on the right shoulder epulet with a whisle attached to the other and tucked into the shirt pocket. It was used by police to summon assistance from other officers in nearby foot patrols. It has no place on a CAP uniform. I would suggest that this individual probably has some type of red or blue flashing lights on his car and is probably carrying a gun. In law enforcement circles we call this person "wanna be". This is the  type of individual that is commonly arrrested for impersonating a police officer or worse yet some type of sexual offense. BEWARE!!!!!

Quote from: keithrclapp on February 15, 2011, 10:21:56 AM
This "chain" sound to me like a whistle chain. If so it is a traditonal device worn on "class A" police uniforms. Back in the day of foot patrols, before radios, the chain was attached to the button on the right shoulder epulet with a whisle attached to the other and tucked into the shirt pocket. It was used by police to summon assistance from other officers in nearby foot patrols. It has no place on a CAP uniform. I would suggest that this individual probably has some type of red or blue flashing lights on his car and is probably carrying a gun. In law enforcement circles we call this person "wanna be". This is the  type of individual that is commonly arrrested for impersonating a police officer or worse yet some type of sexual offense. BEWARE!!!!!

*blink*

Okay, so.. next time the guy comes in, just go up and pull on the chain.
When he asks why, reply with "I was just yanking your chain..."

QuoteI would suggest that this individual probably has some type of red or blue flashing lights on his car and is probably carrying a gun. In law enforcement circles we call this person "wanna be". This is the  type of individual that is commonly arrrested for impersonating a police officer or worse yet some type of sexual offense. BEWARE!!!!!

I second that tony: 
wow!?  with a addendum of WTF

dude; it was already clearly identified early on this guy is wearing some kind of Hawk Mountain "Bling"...... he's  not some kind of LEO poser/wanabe?child molester......

it's a whistle: I dont know a single LEO that carries a whistle (or have for years).  That would be the least likey symptom of badge envy I would ever pull out of my 4th point of contact...

mk

Quote from: keithrclapp on February 15, 2011, 10:21:56 AM
This "chain" sound to me like a whistle chain. If so it is a traditonal device worn on "class A" police uniforms. Back in the day of foot patrols, before radios, the chain was attached to the button on the right shoulder epulet with a whisle attached to the other and tucked into the shirt pocket. It was used by police to summon assistance from other officers in nearby foot patrols. It has no place on a CAP uniform. I would suggest that this individual probably has some type of red or blue flashing lights on his car and is probably carrying a gun. In law enforcement circles we call this person "wanna be". This is the  type of individual that is commonly arrrested for impersonating a police officer or worse yet some type of sexual offense. BEWARE!!!!!

O.o

Quote from: keithrclapp on February 15, 2011, 10:21:56 AM
This "chain" sound to me like a whistle chain. If so it is a traditonal device worn on "class A" police uniforms. Back in the day of foot patrols, before radios, the chain was attached to the button on the right shoulder epulet with a whisle attached to the other and tucked into the shirt pocket. It was used by police to summon assistance from other officers in nearby foot patrols. It has no place on a CAP uniform. I would suggest that this individual probably has some type of red or blue flashing lights on his car and is probably carrying a gun. In law enforcement circles we call this person "wanna be". This is the  type of individual that is commonly arrrested for impersonating a police officer or worse yet some type of sexual offense. BEWARE!!!!!

TROLL ALERT

Quote from: keithrclapp on February 15, 2011, 10:21:56 AM
This "chain" sound to me like a whistle chain. If so it is a traditonal device worn on "class A" police uniforms. Back in the day of foot patrols, before radios, the chain was attached to the button on the right shoulder epulet with a whisle attached to the other and tucked into the shirt pocket. It was used by police to summon assistance from other officers in nearby foot patrols. It has no place on a CAP uniform. I would suggest that this individual probably has some type of red or blue flashing lights on his car and is probably carrying a gun. In law enforcement circles we call this person "wanna be". This is the  type of individual that is commonly arrrested for impersonating a police officer or worse yet some type of sexual offense. BEWARE!!!!!

Quoi?

Atleast in my wing, you're allowed. And a red ranger Tab is advanced ranger, one over R1, one under Instructor. The whistle is a thing you can wear if you have been to HMRS and more then one person is wearing them in my squadron.

Not true. PA wing supplements to 39-1 do not agree with you. There is nothing in 39-1 or the PA wing that allow it.

http://www.pawg.cap.gov/sites/default/files/pubs/PAWG-Supp-39-1-Dec11.pdf

I sense the beating of an expired equine coming on. 

17 month necro.

Where's that dead horse graphic?

Quote from: SarDragon on August 01, 2012, 06:28:07 PM
17 month necro.

Where's that dead horse graphic?

From a thread that lasted all of 9 days.

Hey new guys.....welcome to CAPTALK....we really appreciate your particpation....but really?

I wonder could this be the same guy we saw a few months back that created the two personas supporting each other and new uniform that pretty much would turn us all into rangers?

Likely not. The mods pay pretty close attention to new forum members, and get the smurf accounts weeded out pretty quickly.

Quote from: SarDragon on August 01, 2012, 06:28:07 PM
17 month necro.

Where's that dead horse graphic?

Right here...



You're welcome.