Quote from: GroundHawg on January 28, 2012, 11:17:45 PM

Quote from: Flying Pig on January 28, 2012, 09:34:54 PM
Well, no doubt he started his career as a Marine reservist.  At any rate it shows the badges are authorized for wear on the USAF uniform.

No, it means that the Combat Controller in the pic is wearing an unauthorized uniform item. I have no doubt that he has earned it and should be able to wear his Navy Jump Wings, but they are not allowed for wear by the USAF.

Which should put a lot of perspective on the old "we need to get it right or the USAF will get angery" argument. 

"Taking another look at that one of the controller he's missing the GCM"

No AF GCM, but the red white and gold one third row down, left side
is the USMCR version of the good conduct.  But hes been a bad boy in the AF:)

Quote from: lordmonar on January 28, 2012, 11:22:30 PM

Quote from: GroundHawg on January 28, 2012, 11:17:45 PM

Quote from: Flying Pig on January 28, 2012, 09:34:54 PM
Well, no doubt he started his career as a Marine reservist.  At any rate it shows the badges are authorized for wear on the USAF uniform.

No, it means that the Combat Controller in the pic is wearing an unauthorized uniform item. I have no doubt that he has earned it and should be able to wear his Navy Jump Wings, but they are not allowed for wear by the USAF.

Which should put a lot of perspective on the old "we need to get it right or the USAF will get angery" argument. 

With all the separate wings hes wearing, he must still be very proud of his Marine heritage!  Either way, I brt the guy knows how to skydive!

Quote from: GroundHawg on January 28, 2012, 07:37:08 PM
Soldiers are allowed one foreign badge, the aiguillete is prob the shutzenshur (sp?) the german marksmanship cord (I got silver in Bosnia in 99) Since I have a few foreign badges and wings I sent an email to KB they said to follow USAF rule which would be we can wear one foreign badge or cord but only while in the foreign country that awarded it. They also stated that parachute wings are not aviation badges. So unless you are on IACE in that country, no foreign badges can be worn on a CAP uniform. You can wear foreign ribbons, and they go dead last behind all other ribbons.
This is yet another issue that I think should be changed. With as many prior service and foriegn members that are in CAP or will be joining, CAP would be well served to allow them the option to wear what they have earned.

Agreed.  But can you legally wear your Schuetzenschnur with the CAP AF blue uniform here in the States?

I've related before the story of a retired Canadian CF-116 (Canadair CF-5)



pilot in my first unit who came here to fly for the airlines.  National would only let him wear his pilot's wings



but none of his ribbons.  I didn't think that was right, but they didn't ask me.

Agreed.  But can you legally wear your Schuetzenschnur with the CAP AF blue uniform here in the States?



No. According to the lady at KB we are to follow USAF rules which state:

10.5.1.6. Foreign badges (aviation, medical insignia and parachutist badges). Are only worn in the conferring country or while attending official and social functions hosted by the awarding government. Do not wear foreign aviation badges unless wearing a US aviation badge.


So again (Im shocked) people at KB and NHQ have given conflicting info. According to USAF rules your RCAF pilot should have been able to wear his ribbons and not the badge.....

That's bunk.  IMHO I think that if you have earned a dec or badge etc and have documentation to go with it you should be allowed to wear it. 

Quote from: abdsp51 on January 29, 2012, 07:11:30 PM
That's bunk.  IMHO I think that if you have earned a dec or badge etc and have documentation to go with it you should be allowed to wear it.

^+1000000000

Quote from: GroundHawg on January 29, 2012, 02:02:01 PM
Are only worn in the conferring country or while attending official and social functions hosted by the awarding government.

I'll tell the guy to get rid of the Schuetzenschnur unless he gets invited to the German Embassy for Oktoberfest.  I will accompany to translate.

Quote from: GroundHawg on January 29, 2012, 02:02:01 PM
So again (Im shocked) people at KB and NHQ have given conflicting info.

Quote from: GroundHawg on January 29, 2012, 02:02:01 PM
According to USAF rules your RCAF pilot should have been able to wear his ribbons and not the badge.....

I guess NHQ didn't feel that this guy jetting around in a supersonic fighter in service of Queen and Country for 20+ years was worthy of CAP recognition.  Or maybe they didn't like it because he had an unpronounceable name (he was a French-Canadian...and a million laughs).

After all, the Canadian Government doesn't seem to have a problem with it being reciprocal...as you can tell from the Senior Army Aviator wings worn by Lieutenant-General Charles Bouchard...

Quote from: CyBorg on January 29, 2012, 08:56:32 PM
I guess NHQ didn't feel that this guy jetting around in a supersonic fighter in service of Queen and Country for 20+ years was worthy of CAP recognition.  Or maybe they didn't like it because he had an unpronounceable name (he was a French-Canadian...and a million laughs).

After all, the Canadian Government doesn't seem to have a problem with it being reciprocal...as you can tell from the Senior Army Aviator wings worn by Lieutenant-General Charles Bouchard...

Well considering that there is both a Canadian and an American flag in his picture, I would say this photo is from an assignment to NORAD.
Which is a joint Canadian-American Command. His wearing of the American Wings is entirely appropriate in this case.

FlyingPig... you are incorrect about the SF and Ranger tabs.  There are Security Forces members and SERE specialists who have earned these are are NOT assigned to Army units.  I have witnessed this firsthand while active duty.  I worked with and Air Force SP who had gone to Ranger school and never served with the Army. 

Quote from: cpyahoo on January 30, 2012, 03:04:48 AM
FlyingPig... you are incorrect about the SF and Ranger tabs.  There are Security Forces members and SERE specialists who have earned these are are NOT assigned to Army units.  I have witnessed this firsthand while active duty.  I worked with and Air Force SP who had gone to Ranger school and never served with the Army.

You can earn the tab and not be assigned to the unit however per AFI you must be assigned to an Army unit to wear it.  I had a Ranger grad in my unit here and I knew a former Army SF at my first assignment.  But they did not wear the tabs.  Earning and wearing are two separate things.

Quote from: stillamarine on January 28, 2012, 05:06:39 AM

Quote from: Flying Pig on January 28, 2012, 01:44:16 AM
http://www.afsoc.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/070530-F-8732E-042.jpg

Combat Controller wearing Naval Parachutist Wings and USMC Combatant Diver Badge

What's really interesting is here is wearing regular senior parachutist wings and naval parachutist wings. He had to have been 0321before he went AF.

Isn't one of the ribbons some sort of Marine Corps Good Conduct Award? I'm not about to call the guy a fake, but I suspect he might have been some sort of Marine Force Recon, or he may have attended the school or have been presented the badge.

It's interesting that both Navy badges are worn below the ribbons. I would have thought the Navy wings would have been worn above on the right.

Quote from: flyboy1 on January 30, 2012, 11:25:12 AM
Isn't one of the ribbons some sort of Marine Corps Good Conduct Award? I'm not about to call the guy a fake, but I suspect he might have been some sort of Marine Force Recon, or he may have attended the school or have been presented the badge.

It's interesting that both Navy badges are worn below the ribbons. I would have thought the Navy wings would have been worn above on the right.

My guess is that he was in one of the Recon units in the Marine Corps Reserve.  Only Recon guys go to Combatant Diver's school in the Corps.  And only Marines in a handful of jump-qualified billets/MOSes can qualify to upgrade their lead sleds to gold wings.  So the only guys in the USMC who get the dual cools are Recon.  You don't get to go to the diver school and upgrade your feathers to gold unless you're Recon.

That is mostly true but there are exceptions to it. Aside from recon Marines you may find some guys who serve in Air & Naval Gunfire Liaison Companies (ANGLICO) with at least gold wings, maybe the SCUBA bubble as well. I'm not very up to speed on the new MARSOC units but they may also be wearing both.

Quote from: Spaceman3750 on January 28, 2012, 03:40:52 AM

Quote from: CyBorg on January 27, 2012, 11:56:05 PM

Quote from: lordmonar on January 27, 2012, 03:47:56 PM
I can't find it in 26-2903....but I have seen a lot of AD/AFRES types wear their Navy Jump wings and Navy Aircrew and aviator wings.

Remember back when two IL ANG F-16 pilots mistakenly dropped a bomb in A-stan that tragically killed some of our Canadian allies who were holding a live-fire exercise?

I think one of them must have been a Naval Aviator, because on the news story where he was going for some sort of hearing (Art. 32?) I saw him wearing Navy wings on his service dress.  I think it was between his ribbon rack and USAF wings, though it could have been on the right side.

Maybe he got some sort of special dispensation from his state AG?  I don't know.

Oh...and I agree 100% that mixing subdued and blue/white insignia on BDU's looks bad, especially when in most cases B/W is authorised and available.

Now if we could just go with the darker navy blue...

That guy was a member of the local ANG unit (before they lost the flying mission) at the time of the incident. I felt bad for all involved.

Spaceman - You in Group 9 ?

Quote from: SAR-EMT1 on February 02, 2012, 03:52:52 AM

Quote from: Spaceman3750 on January 28, 2012, 03:40:52 AM

Quote from: CyBorg on January 27, 2012, 11:56:05 PM

Quote from: lordmonar on January 27, 2012, 03:47:56 PM
I can't find it in 26-2903....but I have seen a lot of AD/AFRES types wear their Navy Jump wings and Navy Aircrew and aviator wings.

Remember back when two IL ANG F-16 pilots mistakenly dropped a bomb in A-stan that tragically killed some of our Canadian allies who were holding a live-fire exercise?

I think one of them must have been a Naval Aviator, because on the news story where he was going for some sort of hearing (Art. 32?) I saw him wearing Navy wings on his service dress.  I think it was between his ribbon rack and USAF wings, though it could have been on the right side.

Maybe he got some sort of special dispensation from his state AG?  I don't know.

Oh...and I agree 100% that mixing subdued and blue/white insignia on BDU's looks bad, especially when in most cases B/W is authorised and available.

Now if we could just go with the darker navy blue...

That guy was a member of the local ANG unit (before they lost the flying mission) at the time of the incident. I felt bad for all involved.

Spaceman - You in Group 9 ?

Yeah - I'm going to be visiting your squadron later this month.

Must say... I am rather upset that I can wear my CIB, but were my father and brother in CAP, they couldn't wear their CAB's, that they got at the same time I got my CIB, in the same country, during the same war.

They can wear them, just not in CAP.  Just because something earned in one place, doesn't mean you can or should wear it in another place.  It just so happens that CAP allows you to wear the CIB, just like the AF does.  But until further notice, the CAB is not authorized. 

It's like becoming a police officer and saying you should be able to wear your air assault badge.  At some point the line has to be drawn.

"Aquamarine"? I think you mean "ultramarine." Aquamarine is light teal.

Ordered and received CIB's from Name Tags 4 U. Look good. Satisfied.   :clap: