^^ If the 1 April 2006 version of the CAWG supplement to CAPM 39-1, was obsolete in 2008, it is still obsolete now. Even if it is in revision, it doesn't change the fact that at this point it at best an historical document.

Until the revision is published, CAWG does not have a supplement to CAPM 39-1. CAWG has no current OI's posted concerning wing patches. I contend that at this time, at least until a new version of the CAWG supplement to CAPM 39-1 is published, wing patches are optional in CAWG.

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Quote from: JohnKachenmeister on July 19, 2009, 02:42:35 PM
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Quote from: bte on July 19, 2009, 11:40:23 AM
^^ If the 1 April 2006 version of the CAWG supplement to CAPM 39-1, was obsolete in 2008, it is still obsolete now. Even if it is in revision, it doesn't change the fact that at this point it at best an historical document.

Until the revision is published, CAWG does not have a supplement to CAPM 39-1. CAWG has no current OI's posted concerning wing patches. I contend that at this time, at least until a new version of the CAWG supplement to CAPM 39-1 is published, wing patches are optional in CAWG.

Nice barracks lawyer argument, that will get you nowhere.

Quote from: bteEven if it is in revision, it doesn't change the fact that at this point it at best an historical document.

Good thing I grabbed a copy
http://www.incountry.us/cappatches/library/reg-man/39-1sup_ca060401.pdf

I ordered some of the third Florida Wing patches on Thursday, so hopefully they'll be in my hands next week.

I'm also looking for a larger computer graphic of the new patch than what appeared earlier in this thread, if anyone has or knows of one.

Quote from: AlphaSigOU on July 19, 2009, 02:51:49 PM

Quote from: JohnKachenmeister on July 19, 2009, 02:42:35 PM
The preceeding posts have been brought to you by the new hit movie:

"UNIFORM NAZIS AT PLAY"

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Not "Yakety Sax"?

Nope, Yakety Sax has been copyrighted by Benny Hill!

Quote from: PHall on July 20, 2009, 03:53:33 AM
Nope, Yakety Sax has been copyrighted by Benny Hill!

'Baby Elephant Walk' makes a good alternate. . 

I just got my FLWG patches from VG (and pretty darn quick, I might add!)

Once you see them 'in the flesh' they're not bad at all-looks kinda sharp......

Hey all,

I'm (former Capt.) Matthew Congrove (if you couldn't tell by the username); thought I'd hop on here to answer some questions and say thanks for all the kind words and feedback.

I'd like to start off by talking about the process for this new design...

I was approached by Col. Moersch a couple of months ago to give an opinion on some new designs he had been tossing around, none of which I really cared for; I have a little bit of graphic design experience (I'm more into web design, e.g. the new FLWG website), but I figured I'd give it a shot. Over the course of a day or two I hashed out a quick design (trying my best to stick with what I remembered of heraldry rules and guidelines), and the design you all see is what came of my efforts. You're quite literally looking at design #1; no major revisions were made (stars were re-aligned slightly at Col. Moersch's request).

So, with that in mind, I'll answer some of your questions and respond to some remarks...

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Quote from: AlphaSigOU on July 07, 2009, 07:17:04 AM
I like it as well. Only thing I would have changed is to adjust the spacing of the lettering (called 'kerning' in the printing business) to balance the lettering on the scroll. As it is, there's too much white space in the word 'WING'.

I totally agree; I've never been great with kerning, and it is a PITA, so I did the best I could in the five minutes before I started pulling my hair out. I was hoping someone down the line (e.g. Vanguard, someone with more design experience, etc) would be able to help correct this, but it was sent to print very quickly. I didn't even know it was approved until I was sent a photo of the prototype from Vanguard. It's a shame it wasn't corrected.

Quote from: BuckeyeDEJ on July 15, 2009, 05:22:17 AM
1. Why the black outline around the compass rose?
2. Should the two shades of blue be bumping up against each other -- is that blazoned incorrectly? (That's why the blue outlines were put around the stars on the CAP seal. Silver and white are heraldically the same color.)

1. As stated by someone else, it was mainly just for separation (I think). I don't care much for the compass rose but I was asked to carry it over from some of the other patch designs; I copied it as best I could, black border and all.
2. I am by no means an expert on heraldry, and this was mostly just a simple slip-up on my part. Had I received more time to review, revise and fine-tune the design I probably would have caught it, but alas, no such time was given.

Quote from: alamrcn on July 19, 2009, 04:10:13 PM
I'm also looking for a larger computer graphic of the new patch than what appeared earlier in this thread, if anyone has or knows of one.

If you (or anyone else) would like a high-res PSD, EPS or JPG of the FLWG patch, shoot me an e-mail: mattcongrove@gmail.com

I'll see if I can get the IT team to put the files online, but I wouldn't hold my breathe.

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Thanks all once again for the kind words and constructive criticism; I just wish I could actually implement some of your remarks

Best,
Matthew Congrove

Matt:

I think you did a fine job.  I have yet to speak with anyone in the Florida Wing who doesn't like the new patch.  I'll be putting one on my zoom bag as soon as they come available.

Good work!

Kack

But, really... Couldn't you find SOMEplace to put the silly-looking alligator? 

Matthew --

E-mail me your largest resolution and I'll retrace it as a vector file, unless you already have one (sounds like you don't right now).

And yeah, I'm still a fan of the alligator.

Its a boring patch. Looks like someone took pains to use heraldry that is totally meaningless to Florida Wing. Bring the Gator back!

Not meaningless here on the Space Coast!   

Quote from: JohnKachenmeister on July 27, 2009, 03:07:56 PM
I think you did a fine job.  I have yet to speak with anyone in the Florida Wing who doesn't like the new patch.  I'll be putting one on my zoom bag as soon as they come available.

Good work!

Kack



But, really... Couldn't you find SOMEplace to put the silly-looking alligator? 

Kack
They are available.  I have seen a few around.  Missed you at RECON training

Quote from: JohnKachenmeister on July 27, 2009, 03:07:56 PM
But, really... Couldn't you find SOMEplace to put the silly-looking alligator?

Just hide it in the corner with IR-reactive thread, then only the "in" crowd will know its there.

Any FL Wennies here interested in getting a FLWG morale patch made with the aggresive looking gator on it and putting something like in memory of?  I suck at computer graphic design so if any body has a cocept and producer for the patch let me know.


Thanks

Quote from: ammotrucker on July 28, 2009, 02:38:48 AM

Quote from: JohnKachenmeister on July 27, 2009, 03:07:56 PM
I think you did a fine job.  I have yet to speak with anyone in the Florida Wing who doesn't like the new patch.  I'll be putting one on my zoom bag as soon as they come available.

Good work!

Kack



But, really... Couldn't you find SOMEplace to put the silly-looking alligator? 

Kack
They are available.  I have seen a few around.  Missed you at RECON training

It was my birthday.  The choice was clear:

a)   Go to a CAP training class, or...

b)   Drink margaritas by my pool while some of my hot-looking neighbor's wives show off the latest in swimwear fashions.

Tough call, right?

Quote from: Strick on July 28, 2009, 08:19:39 PM
Any FL Wennies here interested in getting a FLWG morale patch made with the aggresive looking gator on it and putting something like in memory of?  I suck at computer graphic design so if any body has a cocept and producer for the patch let me know.


Thanks

I might be... It might be hard to pull off in 1" x 2" though...

Received my copies of the new Florida Wing patch from Vanguard, and it looks WAY better in person than the scan shows!

Although somewhat generic in the heraldry department, it is very sharp and smartly designed. Very USAF looking, too.

I'd have gone with a cut edge, because a merrowed one is hard to pull off with the shield shape due to the scroll's detail that continues inside from the edge.

I definately go in for some novelty/morale patches featuring the ol' gator... maybe Zack's original "prego" version laying in a beach chair enjoying retirement? 

i dont like it. and i have to wear it. GRRR!